• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I don't know why he would debate a creationist. That debate was settled over 100 years ago. By debating them you give the appearance of legitimacy to their arguments when there is no legitimacy to them. Would you debate someone that claimed the earth was flat? Would you debate someone that claimed the earth was the center of the universe? How about debating someone that believed that mental illness resulted from demonic possession? How about debating someone that rejected the law of gravity and instead asserted that objects fall to the earth due to God's divine force acting upon them?

There are two fundamental laws in Biology:

1. All of the phenomena of biology, the entities and the processes, are ultimately obedient to the laws of physics and chemistry. Not immediately reducible to them, but ultimately consistent and in consilience with them, by a cause and effect explanation.

2. All biological phenomena, these entities and processes that define life itself, have arisen by evolution through natural selection.

The fact that some ignorant fundamentalists don't accept that has does not call those laws into question. It merely demonstrates their ignorance. I am all for scientists doing a better job of communicating the science behind evolution to the masses, but debating some nut and thus giving legitimacy to that nut's position is a bad idea in my opinion.


Right, it was settled 100 years ago.... that's why half of the country doesn't believe in evolution.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

LMAO ok buddy.

I didn't think you'd have anything of substance to add once your nonsense was questioned.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

he was recently on Dancing with the Stars



I stopped reading at "Bill Nye, the popular TV scientist...."

He hasn't been a relevant public figure for 20 years. His career in television ended long, long ago.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I didn't think you'd have anything of substance to add once your nonsense was questioned.

Bill Nye's entertainment career ended in the 90's. That's what I said, that's how it is. He doesn't have a show anymore. He doesn't go on talk shows. People aren't lining up to interview him.

Maybe that's why he feels the need to come out with whacky controversial garbage like he did: the man is trying to stay relevant.

It's kind of sad actually.

He's like the guy that played Bud Bundy on that 90's show Married with Children. Every couple years you hear something about him trying to make a comeback, but it's just never going to happen.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

he was recently on Dancing with the Stars

Where washouts go to try to resurrect their careers. You just made my point for me.

Would be funny to see that pencil neck geek try to dance though, I should have watched that.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Half of the country is ignorant and refuse to learn anything about evolution, because they're afraid to learn. They think it turn them and their children into atheists.



Right, it was settled 100 years ago.... that's why half of the country doesn't believe in evolution.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Half of the country is ignorant and refuse to learn anything about evolution, because they're afraid to learn. They think it turn them and their children into atheists.

Actually, most proponents of intelligent design want evolution to continue to be taught in schools, they just want equal time for competing beliefs to be explored as well. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would oppose this.

It's the anti-God, pro-evolution crowd that wants to silence everyone else, and drown out the 50% or so of Americans who have heard their arguments for evolution but upon examining the facts simply chose to believe something else.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Half of the country is ignorant and refuse to learn anything about evolution, because they're afraid to learn. They think it turn them and their children into atheists.

Also, it's pretty insulting, bigoted, and rude to call half the country IGNORANT.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them ignorant. If we believed that, we might as well throw the concept of democracy out the window because, by God, we can't let ignorant people make important decisions can we?
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Bill Nye's entertainment career ended in the 90's. That's what I said, that's how it is. He doesn't have a show anymore. He doesn't go on talk shows. People aren't lining up to interview him.

You better tell that to the people keeping track of him:

Even on a 15 second search, your entire claim is proven laughably false:

Bill Nye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nye remained interested in science education through entertainment. He played a science teacher in Disney's 1998 TV movie The Principal Takes a Holiday; he made a hovercraft to demonstrate science in an unusual classroom manner. From 2000 to 2002, Nye was the technical expert in BattleBots. In 2004 and 2005, Nye hosted 100 Greatest Discoveries, an award-winning series produced by THINKFilm for The Science Channel and in high definition on the Discovery HD Theater. He was also host of an eight-part Discovery Channel series called Greatest Inventions with Bill Nye. He created a 13-episode PBS KCTS-TV series about science, called The Eyes of Nye, aimed at an older audience than his previous show had been. Airing in 2005, it often featured episodes based on politically relevant themes such as genetically modified food, global warming, and race. Nye has guest-starred in several episodes of the crime drama Numb3rs as an engineering faculty member. A lecture Nye gave several years ago on exciting children about math was an inspiration for creating Numb3rs.[20] He has also made guest appearances on the VH1 reality show America's Most Smartest Model.[21]

Nye has appeared numerous times on the talk show Larry King Live, speaking about topics such as global warming and UFOs. He argued that global warming is an issue that should be addressed by governments of the world in part because it could be implicated in the record-setting 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.[22] On UFOs he has been skeptical of extraterrestrial explanations for sightings such as those at Roswell and Malmstrom Air Force Base in 1967.[23]

Nye appears in segments of The Climate Code on The Weather Channel, telling his personal ways of saving energy. He still makes regular appearances on the show, often asking quiz questions. As of fall 2008, Nye also appears on the daytime game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire as part of the show's reintroduced "Ask the Expert" lifeline. In 2008, he also hosted Stuff Happens, a show on the then new Planet Green network. In November 2008, Nye appeared in an acting role as himself in the fifth-season episode "Brain Storm" of Stargate Atlantis alongside fellow television personality and astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.[24]

In 2009, portions of Bill Nye's shows were used as lyrics and portions of the second Symphony of Science music education video by composer John Boswell. Nye recorded a short YouTube video (as himself, not his TV persona) advocating clean energy climate change legislation on behalf of Al Gore's Repower America campaign in October 2009.[25] Bill joined the American Optometric Association in a multimedia advertising campaign to persuade parents to get their children comprehensive eye examinations.[26] Nye made an appearance in Palmdale's 2010 video "Here Comes the Summer";[27] the band's lead singer Kay Hanley is his neighbor. Nye (as his TV persona) also made a guest appearance on The Dr. Oz Show.

On March 12, 2011, Nye made an appearance on CNN to discuss the evolving nuclear incidents in Japan as a result of the devastating earthquake and tsunami there. Nye erroneously stated that cesium is used to "slow and control" the nuclear reaction.[28][29] In reality, cesium (specifically cesium-137) is a nuclear fission product, not a control rod material. Nye also erroneously stated that the nuclear reactor involved in the Three Mile Island incident is still running and that the use of boron to slow the nuclear chain reaction is uncommon, when in fact boron-10 is commonly used in control rods, and is circulated in the coolant of reactors in the United States, as well as stored on site as a method of emergency shutdown.[29][30][31]

Look, face it Grimm, you made an easily disprovable claim. What's even more laughable is that you're stating he's trying to stay relevant. The museum actually contacted him for the debate. Not the other way around.

'Bill Nye the Science Guy' to Debate Evolution at Kentucky's Creation Museum - ABC News

The museum had been hoping to attract Nye after the star said in a Youtube video that teaching creationism was bad for children.

"I say to the grown-ups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them," Nye said in the video, which has amassed nearly 6 million views.

So in short, you're stating that creationists are contacting an irrelevant personality for the sake of bringing attention to themselves? Doesn't sound too logical but you're a creationist so we won't really question your judgement of what is and isn't relevant.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

My comment was a joke FYI.

Nye does, in fact, appear on talk shows and news programs. But I know, you will probably find some way to dismiss that and argue you haven't seen him on s*** and that's all that really matters. Where and how much you have seen him on television only counts...

The other time wasting avenue we could go down in this discussion would involve the assumption that you're just attacking this particular article as biased towards Nye.

But I'm not going to waste my time. I I think it is pretty obvious that you are opposed to learning anything about evolution at all, and you're more than likely misguided on anything you think you know.






Where washouts go to try to resurrect their careers. You just made my point for me.

Would be funny to see that pencil neck geek try to dance though, I should have watched that.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I'm not anti religious or atheist. I just know the difference between religion and science. I studied and learned evolution and I was never taught intelligent design, and at no point during those science classes did I ever question the existence of God.

Why else would you want God and religion in such a class, unless you're afraid people walk out atheist?




Actually, most proponents of intelligent design want evolution to continue to be taught in schools, they just want equal time for competing beliefs to be explored as well. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would oppose this.

It's the anti-God, pro-evolution crowd that wants to silence everyone else, and drown out the 50% or so of Americans who have heard their arguments for evolution but upon examining the facts simply chose to believe something else.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I stopped reading at "Bill Nye, the popular TV scientist...."

He hasn't been a relevant public figure for 20 years. His career in television ended long, long ago.

Evolution wasn't invented by Bill Nye.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring counter-arguments against your beliefs is pretty much par for the course for ol' Grimm. Carry on in your young earth ignorance.

Actually, most proponents of intelligent design want evolution to continue to be taught in schools, they just want equal time for competing beliefs to be explored as well. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would oppose this.

It's the anti-God, pro-evolution crowd that wants to silence everyone else, and drown out the 50% or so of Americans who have heard their arguments for evolution but upon examining the facts simply chose to believe something else.

When your side can produce 1/100,000th of the facts and verifiable, peer reviewed evidence like evolution has, you'll be allowed to teach in school. Until then, keep it in a church where all religion belongs.
 
Last edited:
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You can't understand why anybody would be against teaching intelligent design an evolution together... And you claim that most IT supporters want both taught. Then who are the over half of Americans you mentioned as not believing in evolution? :lol:

I highly doubt that the pro IT and evolution side, disbelieve in evolution while insisting its taught. That makes absolutely no sense.

so what is the real side of your story here?? other then the fact that you think I'm a bigot :lol:




Also, it's pretty insulting, bigoted, and rude to call half the country IGNORANT.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them ignorant. If we believed that, we might as well throw the concept of democracy out the window because, by God, we can't let ignorant people make important decisions can we?
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Also, it's pretty insulting, bigoted, and rude to call half the country IGNORANT.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them ignorant. If we believed that, we might as well throw the concept of democracy out the window because, by God, we can't let ignorant people make important decisions can we?

If half the country said they believed in things that didn't make sense and completely refuted known scientific facts I wouldn't call them KNOWLEDGEABLE.

Even the paranormal is more believable and that is still a bit on the fantastic side.

I think the Creation Story was drawn from some older source than Judaism, possibly a mix of Sumerian and Babylonian?

The story of Noah is almost exactly parallel to an older story from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is of Mesopotamia and Sumerian origin.
Even Abraham was originally from Ur of the Chaldees an area of southern Mesopotamia. It's believed that he brought many of the older biblical stories from his native land with him.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

My comment was a joke FYI.

Nye does, in fact, appear on talk shows and news programs. But I know, you will probably find some way to dismiss that and argue you haven't seen him on s*** and that's all that really matters. Where and how much you have seen him on television only counts...

The other time wasting avenue we could go down in this discussion would involve the assumption that you're just attacking this particular article as biased towards Nye.

But I'm not going to waste my time. I I think it is pretty obvious that you are opposed to learning anything about evolution at all, and you're more than likely misguided on anything you think you know.


I'm opposed to learning, yet how many assumptions did you make in this post of yours?

The reason intellectuals try to avoid making assumptions is because it precludes learning.

Not that it matters, but I do delight a bit in the irony.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I'm not anti religious or atheist. I just know the difference between religion and science. I studied and learned evolution and I was never taught intelligent design, and at no point during those science classes did I ever question the existence of God.

Why else would you want God and religion in such a class, unless you're afraid people walk out atheist?


I'm not afraid people will walk out atheist - because people can believe whatever they want.

In line with that thinking, I don't see any problem teaching both theories in school and allowing kids to believe what they want.

The atheists are the ones trying to silence one side of the debate. I'm simply saying let's give equal time to both sides.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Evolution wasn't invented by Bill Nye.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring counter-arguments against your beliefs is pretty much par for the course for ol' Grimm. Carry on in your young earth ignorance.



When your side can produce 1/100,000th of the facts and verifiable, peer reviewed evidence like evolution has, you'll be allowed to teach in school. Until then, keep it in a church where all religion belongs.

So a bunch of atheists peer-review each other's papers, and that makes it fact. Sounds like fascism to me.

I'll go with the American People over what some university pinheads think. In the democratic forum of ideas, the people have spoken: they believe in God and only 32% believe in evolution due to natural processes (2009 Pew Research).
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

So a bunch of atheists peer-review each other's papers, and that makes it fact. Sounds like fascism to me.

I'll go with the American People over what some university pinheads think. In the democratic forum of ideas, the people have spoken: they believe in God and only 32% believe in evolution due to natural processes (2009 Pew Research).

No, the entire world peer reviewed the data, over a period of 150 years. And what's interesting to note is that while only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes, only 31% believe in young earth creationism like yourself. [1] The majority of Americans DO believe in evolution, but less than half of those seem to believe the process was started by god. You still lose. The earth isn't 6,000 years old and nobody takes people like you seriously.

If you want to poison your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

No, the entire world peer reviewed the data, over a period of 150 years. And what's interesting to note is that while only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes, only 31% believe in young earth creationism like yourself. [1] The majority of Americans DO believe in evolution, but less than half of those seem to believe the process was started by god. You still lose. The earth isn't 6,000 years old and nobody takes people like you seriously.

If you want to poison your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.

Nice try at a runaround. Only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes. That's according to Pew.

According to the Huffington Post, that number is only 21%.

Evolution And God: Only 21% Of Americans Believe Humans Evolved Without Divine Guidance

That's in spite of the fact that you've been forcing the theory down the public's throats in public schools since the 1950's (the Scopes trial was 90 years ago).

So actually, you lose here. Nearly every American has been educated about evolution, the problem for you is that people have heard it and just don't believe it.

And why would they? Outside your little groupthink-inspired academic circles, the theory defies common sense and good reason.


Oh by the way.... 40% favor teaching creationism and intelligent design in schools while 32% oppose it and 29% are unsure.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Nice try at a runaround. Only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes. That's according to Pew.

According to the Huffington Post, that number is only 21%.

Evolution And God: Only 21% Of Americans Believe Humans Evolved Without Divine Guidance

That's in spite of the fact that you've been forcing the theory down the public's throats in public schools since the 1950's (the Scopes trial was 90 years ago).

So actually, you lose here. Nearly every American has been educated about evolution, the problem for you is that people have heard it and just don't believe it.

And why would they? Outside your little groupthink-inspired academic circles, the theory defies common sense and good reason.


Oh by the way.... 40% favor teaching creationism and intelligent design in schools while 32% oppose it and 29% are unsure.

How is natural selection and evolution considered defying common sense?
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

How is natural selection and evolution considered defying common sense?

The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock. Granted, we were fish for a little while, then tiny salamander looking things, then rodents.

Forgive me, but it all seems a bit Harry Potter-esque to me.
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

I dont understand what the "debate" will be lol

one will be talking about science, facts and some theories based on science, facts,logic and studies

then the other will be talking about fantasies, guesses, philosophies and factually inaccurate information

theres nothing to "debate"

this is why one is taught in SCIENCE class and is a national/global standard of education and the other stuff is just random discussion/philosophies

so funny when religious nuts get in an uproar over this stuff like its a black and white issue, if one believe facts and science that must mean they dont believe in god lol

Im a christian and i believe in a god and this has no effect on me knowing and understanding science and vice versa

Evolution is simple fact, parts of it arent complete and the origin of man isnt complete but evolution is fact, it can be seen, proven and supported the other can not and parts of it can be proven factually false
 
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock.

... Uh... that's about as accurate as stating we evolved from monkeys. Can you please tell us what biology books taught you that humans evolved from slime on a rock? Actually, can you show us what biology books teach on the origins of life? Here is one:

http://www.cshlpress.com/default.tp...n=full&linksortby=oop_title&--eqSKUdatarq=865

Written and edited by experts in the field, this collection from Cold Spring Harbor Perspectives in Biology provides a comprehensive account of the environment of the early Earth and the mechanisms by which the organic molecules present may have self-assembled to form replicating material such as RNA and other polymers. The contributors examine the energetic requirements for this process and focus in particular on the essential role of semi-permeable compartments in containment of primitive genetic systems.

Hm. No slime on a rock.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Evolutionary_Biology/Early_History_of_Life_on_Planet_Earth

In its simplest possible form, life consists only of simple replicating chemical structures, such as amino acids and short RNA chains. These simple molecules are typically not what people think of when talking about "life", although it does serve as a convenient starting point to further studies of evolution.

No slime on a rock there either. Third times the charm, yes?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26876/

How did this machinery arise? One view is that an RNA world existed on Earth before modern cells arose (Figure 6-91). According to this hypothesis, RNA stored both genetic information and catalyzed the chemical reactions in primitive cells. Only later in evolutionary time did DNA take over as the genetic material and proteins become the major catalyst and structural component of cells. If this idea is correct, then the transition out of the RNA world was never complete; as we have seen in this chapter, RNA still catalyzes several fundamental reactions in modern-day cells, which can be viewed as molecular fossils of an earlier world.

Nope. No slime on a rock either. What slime are you talking about? Which rock?
 
Last edited:
re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

... Uh... that's about as accurate as stating we evolved from monkeys. Can you please tell us what biology books taught you that humans evolved from slime on a rock? Actually, can you show us what biology books teach on the origins of life?

That's pretty much what the theory of evolution states, favoring colloquialism over taxonomic nitpicky-ness, of course.

Say hello to your grandmother Lucy:

blogger_savannah1.jpg

Boy she's a looker!
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom