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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    It really wasnt fair!
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    The failure is on Bill Nye for giving this guy any credibility for debate. All Bill did was give this creationist a platform and publicity to continue on. For a smart guy, Bill just did a very very dumb thing.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yeah because Bill Nye has no experience with science stuff right? It's not like he graduated from Cornell with a bachelor of science in mechanical engineering (where he studied under Carl Sagan), then worked in the aeronautical engineering field for years, published several educational books for teaching kids about science, then worked on the Mars Explorer project, then became the Vice President and later director of the Planetary Society. Oh and was a professor at Cornell for six years teaching astronomy and human ecology.

    You're right no experience with science at all. Man Bill Nye is total fraud.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The failure is on Bill Nye for giving this guy any credibility for debate. All Bill did was give this creationist a platform and publicity to continue on. For a smart guy, Bill just did a very very dumb thing.
    The mistake will usually be one of style when publicly confronting creationists. Well, there's two parts, really. The first is focusing your position so as to stay on the attack, as Bill did. He didn't allow himself to get pulled off message by doing what the science side usually does and exhaust himself defending science against the infinite false allegations by the Creationist side. The second part is more complicated because it involves more than just being right. The attraction of religious myths is that they're entirely self contained and, above all else, really easy to digest. If you're religious, the Judeo-Christian Creation story is easy to repeat and, for a religious person, easy to defend (though of course not from any scientific standpoint). Since public debate is at least half about how you perform in front of an audience, the supreme challenge is to present the science side in just as clean and self contained a fashion as creationism does without demeaning the complexity that scientific theories obviously entail. Bill Nye was great on the first part, but to an audience it would be easy to get the impression that the packaging of his position was a little muddy.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The mistake will usually be one of style when publicly confronting creationists. Well, there's two parts, really. The first is focusing your position so as to stay on the attack, as Bill did. He didn't allow himself to get pulled off message by doing what the science side usually does and exhaust himself defending science against the infinite false allegations by the Creationist side. The second part is more complicated because it involves more than just being right. The attraction of religious myths is that they're entirely self contained and, above all else, really easy to digest. If you're religious, the Judeo-Christian Creation story is easy to repeat and, for a religious person, easy to defend (though of course not from any scientific standpoint). Since public debate is at least half about how you perform in front of an audience, the supreme challenge is to present the science side in just as clean and self contained a fashion as creationism does without demeaning the complexity that scientific theories obviously entail. Bill Nye was great on the first part, but to an audience it would be easy to get the impression that the packaging of his position was a little muddy.
    Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.
    Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.
    I agree but it will only sway people to the creationist cause who are already leaning heavily that way to begin with. They will find their way to them regardless. It does highlight the ridiculousness of the creationist position. Remember outside the USA most of the develloped world have long given up on such creation myths and letting the world know there are still people in first world nations with modern educations I think is an important service to humanity.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.
    Hitchens was glad to debate anyone who was trying to present supernatural fantasy as fact

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