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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    How could he perform well? He was arguing for make-believe supernatural fantasy with a scientist.
    As they say, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bs.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Same thing with Bill Nye. He's one of those global warming idiots. He even narrated a fake experiment on TV.
    You just referred to Bill Nye as an idiot.

    That statement itself is brain suckingly devoid of fact or even reason. We are all now dumber for having read that.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You just referred to Bill Nye as an idiot.

    That statement itself is brain suckingly devoid of fact or even reason. We are all now dumber for having read that.

    I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
    He's a ****ing clown, not a scientist. Having a name that rhymes with "science guy" doesn't make you a scientist. Expertise makes you a scientist.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Ken Ham points:

    There are planets and moons in retrograde rotation which violates the conservation of momentum of the universe.

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    Claim CE260:
    The hypothesis that the solar system formed from the collapse of a revolving nebula is contradicted by the fact that three planets and several moons revolve backwards.
    Source:
    Brown, Walt, 1995. In the Beginning: Compelling evidence for creation and the Flood. Phoenix, AZ: Center for Scientific Creation, p. 19.
    Response:

    The "backwards" planets and moons are in no way contrary to the nebular hypothesis. Part of the hypothesis is that the nebula of gas and dust would accrete into planetessimals. Catastrophic collisions between these would be part of planet building. Such collisions and other natural processes can account for the retrograde planets and moons.

    The only moons that orbit retrograde are small asteroid-sized distant satellites of giant planets such as Jupiter and Saturn, plus Triton (Neptune's large moon) and Charon (Pluto's satellite). The small retrograde satellites of Jupiter and Saturn were probably asteroids captured by the giant planets long after formation of the solar system. It is actually easier to be captured into a retrograde orbit. The Neptune system also contains one moon, Nereid, with a highly eccentric orbit. It appears that some sort of violent capture event may have taken place. The Pluto-Charon system is orbiting approximately "on its side," technically retrograde, with tidally locked rotation. As these are small bodies in the outer solar system, and binaries are likely to have been formed through collisions or gravitational capture, this does not violate the nebular hypothesis.

    Uranus is rotating more or less perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic. This may be the result of an off-center collision between two protoplanets during formation. Venus is rotating retrograde but extremely slowly, with its axis almost exactly perpendicular to the plane of its orbit. The rotation of this planet may well have started out prograde, but solar and planetary tides acting on its dense atmosphere have been shown to be a likely cause of the present state of affairs. It is probably not a coincidence that at every inferior conjunction, Venus turns the same side toward Earth, as Earth is the planet that contributes most to tidal forces on Venus.

    Orbital motions account for 99.9% of the angular momentum of the solar system. A real evidential problem would be presented if some of the planets orbited the sun in the opposite direction to others, or in very different planes. However, all the planets orbit in the same direction, confirming the nebular hypothesis, and nearly in the same plane. A further confirmation comes from the composition of the giant planets, which are similar to the sun's composition of hydrogen and helium. Giant planets could hold on to all of their light elements, but small planets like Earth and Mars could not.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Ken Ham points:

    Wood found in 45 000 000 year old basalt is dated to be 45 000 years old. Thus proving radiometric dating is faulty or inaccurate.

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    (although not the exact same situation as presented by Ken Ham, the principle remains the same: if you improperly use a tool you get crappy results, just like using a sledgehammer to put up molding with finish nails)

    Claim CD011.5:

    A piece of wood was fossilized in the Hawkesbury Sandstone, Australia, which most geologists date to the middle Triassic, about 225 to 230 million years ago. The wood was dated by Geochron (a commercial dating laboratory) using the carbon-14 method. Geochron determined its age to be only 33,720 +/- 430 years before present. Contamination by recent microbes or fungi cannot explain the discrepant age. Source:

    Snelling, Andrew, 1999. Dating Dilemma: Fossil wood in 'ancient' sandstone. Creation Ex Nihilo 21(3): 39-41. Dating Dilemma: Fossil Wood in
    Response:

    1. It is doubtful that the sample was even wood. Snelling was not even sure what the sample was. Nor could the staff at Geochron tell what the sample was (Walker 2000). It may not even have retained any of its original carbon. Using carbon dating was pointless from the start since it would inevitably give meaningless results.
    2. The sample was porous, making it likely that it would have absorbed organic carbon from the groundwater. It was probably this contaminating carbon that produced the date. Another possibility is that some 14C was created in situ by natural radioactivity in the surrounding rocks (Hunt 2002).
    3. Furthermore, 33,720 years is still significantly older than the age which many creationists, Snelling included, ascribe to the earth, and there are no plausible sources of error to make the age younger than 33,000 years.

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    Meert, Joe, 2003. Andrew Snelling and the iron concretion? Frequently Asked (Includes a letter from GeoChron labs saying that the "wood" looked like an iron concretion)
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Other than Noah's flood which covers a huge number of claims, what else did Ken Ham claim?
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]



    signs at 1:19, 1:29, 4:43, 6:49, 9:11, Pat Robertson(!) rebuttal 11:17
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Nothing supernatural then...
    Nope. Do you believe in the Supernatural?
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    He's a ****ing clown, not a scientist. Having a name that rhymes with "science guy" doesn't make you a scientist. Expertise makes you a scientist.
    Yeah because Bill Nye has no experience with science stuff right? It's not like he graduated from Cornell with a bachelor of science in mechanical engineering (where he studied under Carl Sagan), then worked in the aeronautical engineering field for years, published several educational books for teaching kids about science, then worked on the Mars Explorer project, then became the Vice President and later director of the Planetary Society. Oh and was a professor at Cornell for six years teaching astronomy and human ecology.

    You're right no experience with science at all. Man Bill Nye is total fraud.

    /sarcasm
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Man Bill Nye is total fraud.
    I agree. He's a clown and an idiot.

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