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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was clearly not a global flood, which science disproves quite nicely.
    Another interesting parallel with the Biblical allegory of Noah is that the character of Noah was said to be 600 years old when the floods started, but doesn't say how old he was when God warned him of the impending flood. If we track back, say, 500 years from the time of the flood the oceans rose 10-15 meters during the life of the Noah character. I would suggest that 10-15 meters of ocean rise resulted in more than just local flooding.

    This is of course just another side interest given that what the Noah story actually saus depends heavily of the interpretation of a word that has many meanings.

    There's no room for interpretation here, Genesis says it was a global flood.
    There is plenty of room for interpretation. It's kind of funny, though, to see you insisting on the common interpretation in order to... disagree with the common interpretation.

    And yes, actually, people would have figured out that the Black Sea flooded thousands of years ago even without Genesis.
    But nobody had ever bothered checking but for the investigate the veracity of Genesis.

    A different quote from genesis uses a phrase that translates to "upon the face of all the earth," much more clearly indicating a global flood.
    Yes, but like I said, the root word that is being translated is "eres" which can mean land of pretty much any size from everything to a small plot to just dirt. Some might see the discovery of the flood of the black sea basin as an excellent opportunity to lend new insight into the potential meaning of "eres" in the Genesis text. Like me, for one. Others wish to be hardliners on both sides and insist that no evidence can move them from their chosen belief.


    "upon the face of all the earth" ̀al-penê kol-haÉares (Genesis 7:3; 8:9)
    See above.

    A later part says something about "all of existence" being destroyed, which seems pretty clear.
    It says he will put an end to all people of the "earth", which still falls back on the definition being used, and that he would destroy the "earth" which is what got me thinking on the subject in the first place. See, "eres" also is defined as "dry land", for instance, in the original text when God dried the land and separated it from the ocean is was also called "eres", so God destroying "eres" could just as easily mean submerging it in water for good, which is actually what happened to the Black Sea basin.

    At least, according to these folks, which Answers in Genesis linked me to. I'm obviously not a biblical scholar.
    Davidson, R. M. --- Biblical Evidence for the Universality of the Genesis Flood
    I'll read that when I get a chance, but I got home to 15 responses on this subject alone!
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    It needed to be someone regularly debates creationists and is scientifically literate. Bill Nye knows his science but not creationists per se. Ken Hamm is hobbled by an old musty playbook that everyone knows. By studying his videos, it would be possible to discern his arguments. None of his arguments were a surprise to me. Neither were the plethora of logical fallacies he used.

    Very disappointing that Bill fumbled the 45000 year old wood issue.
    I wonder if Bill studied this site:
    The Index to Creationist Claims.
    An Index to Creationist Claims

    Besides Bill Nye who would you want to debate Ken Hamm?
    I think a former christian atheist literate scientifically instead of a scientist not wholly familiar with creationist arguments would have been better. Matt Dillahunty comes to mind.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Ham didn't choose intellectual giants like Dawkins or Hawking because they would have mopped the floor with his face made him look an inch tall. Nye was chosen because he is a lightweight who wants people to reach their own conclusions on what is most reasonable without exposing his opponent's ignorance and in the most diplomatic way possible.
    Yet only 8% of people thought Ham performed well. Imagine how small that number would have been if he had picked a big name debater.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet only 8% of people thought Ham performed well. Imagine how small that number would have been if he had picked a big name debater.
    where are the stats for the debate?
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Idiot is about the nicest word I'd use to describe Ken Ham.
    Same thing with Bill Nye. He's one of those global warming idiots. He even narrated a fake experiment on TV.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Another bit of semantics here: The universe and all we know is said to be part of God and his creation. God can't do magic because any act of God, by definition, is natural.
    Nothing supernatural then...
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Same thing with Bill Nye. He's one of those global warming idiots. He even narrated a fake experiment on TV.
    Define a "fake" experiment.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Define a "fake" experiment.
    It's pretty self-explanatory isn't it?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-f...o2-experiment/
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It's pretty self-explanatory isn't it?
    Like when one of these televangelists cures people in their audience and they throw down their crutches and claim the cancer has left them after the phony asshole charlatans divine what is wrong with them while being told over covert radios and people pledge their life savings because they foolishly think they have witnessed a supernatural miracle?
    That kind of fakery and deception?

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet only 8% of people thought Ham performed well. Imagine how small that number would have been if he had picked a big name debater.
    How could he perform well? He was arguing for make-believe supernatural fantasy with a scientist.

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