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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Religion is supposed to, correct? The problem with that is the "why" varies depending on the brand of religion bought by the consumer.
    Sure it does. And at any given point in time the world of science holds numerous theories for describing the very same observed phenomenon.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It doesn't matter, science is not meant to answer the "Why?" question in the first place. Science answers "How?"



    As I said, using the Bible to explain science is as misguided as using science to explain God. Both are geared to answering entirely different questions than the other.




    And that scientifically literate person can also be religious.



    If you are going to attack creationism at least do your side the service of sticking to arguments that creationists actually make. Can you even provide evidence of a creationist that denies the physics of light and prisms? Making crap up like this only hurts your argument in the long run.
    You cant be serious. These people use mental gymnastics to twist well known scientific facts to suit their bizarre beliefs. Exampl,e they say that the speed of light was somehow different in the past thus accounting for the observation of stars and their distances in order to fit their claim that the universe is no more than 10'000 years old.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There's a lot of us who don't start whith that idea, myself included.
    That's great! And I apologize if I accused you of such.

    But that is the real danger of mixing theology and science. What you know about the outside world needs to start by what you can observe and measure. You decide what to believe by what best fits with the evidence you have. Then you have to go out and defend your position to people who take an adversarial view. Maybe your view is accepted, maybe not, and maybe it's accepted for a while until someone comes up with a better explanation. Whatever the result, that's GREAT!

    Knowledge of the natural world can't start with an appeal to divine revelation. Once you say God did it, you stop asking why.

    Scientists aren't concerned universal adherence to a set of beliefs. They're concerned with a generation of students that are willing to believe something simply because you tell them to believe it.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, genesis is not nearly as accurate as you present. Human civilization was around for longer, and widespread, long before that timeframe. The creation story of seven days is way out of order. The global flood never happened. What you are doing is retroactively applying biblical stories to try and shoehorn them into science
    Oh, also, you have to actually ignore scientific study to arrive at the conclusion that the great flood definitively never happened.

    Oh irony.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It doesn't matter, science is not meant to answer the "Why?" question in the first place. Science answers "How?"

    As I said, using the Bible to explain science is as misguided as using science to explain God. Both are geared to answering entirely different questions than the other.

    And that scientifically literate person can also be religious.

    If you are going to attack creationism at least do your side the service of sticking to arguments that creationists actually make. Can you even provide evidence of a creationist that denies the physics of light and prisms? Making crap up like this only hurts your argument in the long run.

    Would you extend this rationale to anyone who argues that "the science is settled"?
    I'm not suggesting that creationists don't believe in prisms. The point is only that when creationists answer "God did it", they're effectively destroying future inquires.

    Science pushes the ball forward when we ask why, and get an answer that we're not satisfied with. Then we go out and experiment, measure, and theorize, until we have a better explanation. The problem with creationism is that it draws a stark line "THOU SHALT NOT LOOK BEHIND THIS CURTAIN".

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I listened the the first half or so of the debate while I was running today. If there is benefit to society that came out of this debate, it will be that students can be shown this debate and the arguments for creationism put forth by Ken Ham as a textbook example of intellectual dishonesty and arguments from ignorance.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Oh, also, you have to actually ignore scientific study to arrive at the conclusion that the great flood definitively never happened.

    Oh irony.
    That is not a scientific study. It is an article about a book and an expedition. You will not find any published studies in any peer reviewed journals that show evidence of a worldwide flood that wiped out all life with the exception of what was taken on board Noah's Ark.

    Frankly, I would question the ability to think critically of anyone that would buy into such nonsense.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    haven't read many posts on this thread but I'm guessing it's 46 pages of liberals patting themselves on the back on how smart they are. Creationists are slow moving targets boys. don't start signing up for Mensa just yet.
    Damn, Pat Robertson a Liberal? Who would have thunk it? LOL.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    When I think of Noah's Ark, I think of all these predators aboard it, all in their cages... Lioness: "Look honey, here comes Noah with our dinner." Male Lion: "Dammit, its F***ing Tofu Again. That pair of wildebeests better hit the ground running once we hit dry land."
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