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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Except it is the United States who's likely to be energy prosperous, have a colony on the Moon and significant orbital infrastructure, and on the cutting edge of scientific advances in 2050. In their rush for self-flagellation people are quick to ignore the fact that despite our creationists we are home to the largest and most sophisticated technology base with the greatest scientific institutions on the planet. I'm all for criticizing dim world views but I can't stand masochism.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It sounds like 2 salesmen desperately trying to sell their product. Bill Nye is quite possibly the worst person they could have picked for this. So many eloquent advocates for scientific theory (Dawkins comes to mind).
    I don't think it could have remained civil with Dawkins.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    The Israelites didn't even have the slightest of idea that they were once ruled by the Egyptians.
    And don't go Moses on me either. That story shaped up in post-Exilic period when Judah was a province of the Persian empire circa 539 BCE – 332 BCE.

    The Semitic speaking people never lived in modern day Egypt, and the Merneptah Stele is the only mention of Israel or Israelites in all of Ancient Egyptian history.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, genesis is not nearly as accurate as you present. Human civilization was around for longer, and widespread, long before that timeframe. The creation story of seven days is way out of order. The global flood never happened. What you are doing is retroactively applying biblical stories to try and shoehorn them into science
    Wrong.

    Civilization is thought to have begun between 10,000 BCe and 6500 BCE during the neolithic revolution. YEC puts the start of mankind at about 7000-8000 BCE, or in the middle of the neolithic revolution.

    Also, the 7 days is not "way out of order" either. One day, day 3, is out of order and should be swapped with day 4. But given that this was being preserved by essentially a game of telephone for thousands of years I would expect that you can allow some errors in the retelling.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Wrong.

    Civilization is thought to have begun between 10,000 BCe and 6500 BCE during the neolithic revolution. YEC puts the start of mankind at about 7000-8000 BCE, or in the middle of the neolithic revolution.

    Also, the 7 days is not "way out of order" either. One day, day 3, is out of order and should be swapped with day 4. But given that this was being preserved by essentially a game of telephone for thousands of years I would expect that you can allow some errors in the retelling.
    A game of telephone repeated over centuries eh? So then it's fair to say we can't take the Bible as literal since obviously if there is 1 telephone error there are likely more.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Except it is the United States who's likely to be energy prosperous, have a colony on the Moon and significant orbital infrastructure, and on the cutting edge of scientific advances in 2050. In their rush for self-flagellation people are quick to ignore the fact that despite our creationists we are home to the largest and most sophisticated technology base with the greatest scientific institutions on the planet. I'm all for criticizing dim world views but I can't stand masochism.
    Not if the Creationists keep increasing their political base and succeed in getting their own elected. Creationist Fry cooks and Janitors aren't a threat to the future of our scientific literacy and innovation. However Congressmen and Senators are. The prime objective of these people is to throw is back to the 1600's.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Wrong.

    Civilization is thought to have begun between 10,000 BCe and 6500 BCE during the neolithic revolution. YEC puts the start of mankind at about 7000-8000 BCE, or in the middle of the neolithic revolution.

    Also, the 7 days is not "way out of order" either. One day, day 3, is out of order and should be swapped with day 4. But given that this was being preserved by essentially a game of telephone for thousands of years I would expect that you can allow some errors in the retelling.
    In almost all of my exposure to YEC's I have consistently encountered a timeline based for the most part on the Ussher chronology ~6000 years ago or 4000 BCE.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, nice appeal to emotions, but it doesn't answer my question (surprise, surprise).

    As a side question, are you still waiting for an apology from Mongolia for the actions of Attila the Hun?
    The point is that it doesn't matter what the current creationist rationalization is. What matters is how you know what you know. Do you start off knowing all the answers already because they were in a book, or do you know because of what you can measure.

    What matters is what happens when a child asks "Why?". Do you teach them that it's the way God made it or do you continue to explain why until you reach the limit of human understanding? The real problem with Creationism is that it stifles curiosity and promotes intellectual laziness. I can't prove it but it has to be true becomes a valid way of thinking.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Wrong.

    Civilization is thought to have begun between 10,000 BCe and 6500 BCE during the neolithic revolution. YEC puts the start of mankind at about 7000-8000 BCE, or in the middle of the neolithic revolution.

    Also, the 7 days is not "way out of order" either. One day, day 3, is out of order and should be swapped with day 4. But given that this was being preserved by essentially a game of telephone for thousands of years I would expect that you can allow some errors in the retelling.
    Your time frame is off. The earliest known civilizations have been traced to southern Africa 20,000 plus years ago.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    In almost all of my exposure to YEC's I have consistently encountered a timeline based for the most part on the Ussher chronology ~6000 years ago or 4000 BCE.
    While I didn't say "all YEC", there are certainly disagreements in the creation chronologies. While 4000 BCE is an interesting conclusion since it coincides with the development of writing (and the true birth of documented knowledge), many also calculate 9,000-10,000 years. As I said, I believe that all of them are wrong scientifically but I find the Creation chronologies to be rather interesting historically.
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