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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I believed and in fact I'm absolutely convencied God created everything that exists and I do not believe the earth is 6000 years old except possibly from a different perspective. I understand this might be a difficult concept to grasp by people who do not understand the science of time dilation. Time Dilation | Einstein's Relativity - YouTube

    Meanwhile 2,000 years before Einstein, the Bible said. 2 Peter 3:8
    Oh yes, please tell me more of your understanding on time dilation.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh yes, please tell me more of your understanding on time dilation.
    I posted a YouTube video that does a decent job at explaining it. Time is not constant and 6 days or 6000 years from one perspective can be billions of years from another...if you believe Einstein got it right. Not everyone accepts the scientific evidence.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I posted a YouTube video that does a decent job at explaining it.
    ....so you can't explain it nor how it applies in this case?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....so you can't explain it nor how it applies in this case?
    I believe its possible that the 6 day creation account was conveyed from a perspective other than earth, therefore that persoective's 6 days is scientifically not an identical time frame as 6 days on earth although accurately 6 days from that perspective. Not very complicated IMHO.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I believe its possible that the 6 day creation account was conveyed from a perspective other than earth, therefore that persoective's 6 days is scientifically not an identical time frame as 6 days on earth although accurately 6 days from that perspective. Not very complicated IMHO.
    Not very complicated at all. So how fast must we be going to account for these differences in our inertial frame?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Not very complicated at all. So how fast must we be going to account for these differences in our inertial frame?
    Lol. So you expect me to be able to personally calculate the speed at which a object must travel relative to earth in 6 days in order for time dialation and by extension, Albert Einstein, to be valid? C'mon.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by GJ Flash View Post
    Unless you (or Bill) were here when the Earth was created, the circumstances of it's creation are neither fact nor observable.
    We can make a series of logical conclusions based on the available evidence, but that isn't quite the same as "fact".
    They are arguing two different belief systems. True, one belief system has more evidence than the other, but they are belief systems nonetheless.



    His intolerant comments regarding creationists (and their children).
    School of Fail: Bill Nye's Warning To Parents - Cheezburger
    I define bigotry as intolerance towards the beliefs of others, which Bill has demonstrated numerous times.
    Then there is virtually no such thing as fact. We don't know that the American Revolution happened all we have are testimonials, archaeological evidence, and man made (therefore falsifiable) histories. It is therefore not a 'fact' that the American Revolution occurred.

    Insisting on such practical absolutes for words like 'fact' is a weak shield for evading reality.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Lol. So you expect me to be able to personally calculate the speed at which a object must travel relative to earth in order for time dialation and by extension, Albert Einstein, to be valid? C'mon.
    I want to know if you even thought this quaint little notion out and have figured if it's even remotely possible, despite the fact that you're ignoring the totality of general relativity in your assumptions. You came off quite smarmy talking about time dilation and specific relativity. I like smarmy, but if you're going to be smarmy you've got to back it up. I want to see how far you can actually back up the smarmy. It's not very complicated, yes? Said it yourself. So a little algebra and you're there.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I posted a YouTube video that does a decent job at explaining it. Time is not constant and 6 days or 6000 years from one perspective can be billions of years from another...if you believe Einstein got it right. Not everyone accepts the scientific evidence.
    Ikari is a physicist.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Ikari is a physicist.
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    Oh great. Tell me then, are you saying its not possible?
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