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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    You are just interpreting the bible to fit your own predetermined beliefs [modern scientific discoveries].
    Everything evolves, even religion.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You didn't expose an absurdity, though. In fact no part of what I posted record any star being created at all.
    It is absurd to literally believe the genesis version of the formation of the universe. It is far too broad and unspecific "God did it", there is no how, no why, no info about time, space, the elements, gravity, etc.

    It is the kind of creation story that several civilizations used to try to explain the universe, in lieu of any actual scientific data. That was fine in its day, the bible says the earth is flat, the moon creates its own light, etc. We moved beyond that with actual facts.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    It is absurd to literally believe the genesis version of the formation of the universe. It is far too broad and unspecific "God did it", there is no how, no why, no info about time, space, the elements, gravity, etc.

    It is the kind of creation story that several civilizations used to try to explain the universe, in lieu of any actual scientific data. That was fine in its day, the bible says the earth is flat, the moon creates its own light, etc. We moved beyond that with actual facts.
    The reason you haven't pointed out that many of the dates in the 'theory' I posted are wrong, is that you aren't interested in the scientific process and logical deduction. You're going to bash religion no matter what, and you aren't even very good at it....just like this creationist 'debating' Mr. Nye.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-05-14 at 01:39 AM.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Everything evolves, even religion.
    Tell that to Ken Ham. He still believes that somehow every animal magically found its way to the Ark (its a miracle) and then set sail for months without leaking or crashing (its a miracle), and all the carnivores became vegetarians (its a miracle) and after the ark landed, somehow there were plants that were alive to eat (its a miracle) and that all the animals somehow made it back to all the continents across the earth without dying (its a miracle), without eating each other (its a miracle), without leaving any fossil record of their trek (its a miracle) and got home, and created a healthy population from just two of their species without any inbreeding damage (its a miracle), managed to become carnivores again once there were enough animals to eat without destroying a species (its a miracle) and managed to find their native foods again that somehow grew back in their native habitats after all that time underwater (its a miracle).

    Hell, I'm not even going in to how a 3 toed sloth managed to swim thousands of miles to find an ark, or how reptiles were able to survive on a cold snowy mountain top.

    Oh wait......it was a miracle.....
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    How did this turn into "liberals are too stupid to understand the bible"?

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The reason you haven't pointed out that many of the dates in the 'theory' I posted are wrong, is that you aren't interested in the scientific process and logical deduction. You're going to bash religion no matter what, and you aren't even very good at it....just like this creationist 'debating' Mr. Nye.
    I ask you for proof. You give none. Just your book of fables.

    No science, no data, no testing, no retesting, no predictions, no theories, just a simplistic, all encompassing explanation that some supernatural events (that defy physics, can't be repeated, can't be shown, and there is no empirical evidence to show that it ever happened) accounts for the complexity of life on earth and the formation of the universe.

    I have science and data and fossils and proof and studies and repeatable experiments and a few hundred years of the scientific method on my side.

    All you have is "....then a miracle happened"
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Tell that to Ken Ham.
    Why would I waist my time?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    He still believes that somehow every animal magically found its way to the Ark....
    It's the Epic of Gilgamesh. There was a rich sea merchant who knew how to read weather, forecasted a disaster, built a really big boat and put a bunch of animals on it. Every hunter knows how to attract different animals. There's no magic trick here, just a writer taking artistic license.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    How did this turn into "liberals are too stupid to understand the bible"?
    Duh...everyone that doesn't meet my conservative litmus test 100% is a godless commie that eats babies...
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    I ask you for proof. You give none. Just your book of fables.

    No science, no data, no testing, no retesting, no predictions, no theories, just a simplistic, all encompassing explanation that some supernatural events (that defy physics, can't be repeated, can't be shown, and there is no empirical evidence to show that it ever happened) accounts for the complexity of life on earth and the formation of the universe.

    I have science and data and fossils and proof and studies and repeatable experiments and a few hundred years of the scientific method on my side.

    All you have is "....then a miracle happened"
    Why would I try and prove a 'theory' which I knew was wrong when I posted it?

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why would I waist my time?


    It's the Epic of Gilgamesh. There was a rich sea merchant who knew how to read weather, foretasted a disaster, built a really big boat and put a bunch of animals on it. Every hunter knows how to attract different animals. There's no magic trick here, just a writer taking artistic license.
    So you agree that the story is a fable?
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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