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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    haven't read many posts on this thread but I'm guessing it's 46 pages of.....
    I see only 5 pages.

    #perspective

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    ....I'll just leave this right here.....



    Day 1: The first 'light' was the removal of the dense cloud cover Earth had when it formed; 4.4-3.8 x 109 years ago.

    With "darkness was over the surface of the deep", Genesis begins around the the start of the Archean eon with a dense layer of clouds and gases which would have made it dark at the Earth's surface. During the early Archean (about 3.0 Ga) the mantle was much hotter than today, probably around 1600 C. This means the fraction of partially molten material was much larger than today. Gases escaped from the crust, and more gases were released by volcanoes, completing the second atmosphere.

    The "separating light from darkness" is the cooling of the Earth, the formation clouds and rain created by the oceans. By the start of the Archean eon oceans already covered the Earth. The new atmosphere probably contained water vapor, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and smaller amounts of other gases. As the output of the Sun was only 70% of the current amount, significant amounts of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere most likely prevented the surface water from freezing. Free oxygen would have been bound by hydrogen or minerals on the surface. Volcanic activity was intense and, without an ozone layer to hinder its entry, ultraviolet radiation flooded the surface.

    Earth Science Lesson 1 Instruction, page 1
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    Day 2: The formation of a stable water cycle; ~2.7 x 109 years ago

    Day 3: Plant life forms on land; ~1.0 x 109 years ago

    Day 4: The Earth's achieves it's current 'stellar day': the Earth's rotation relative to fixed stars, which has been and is still ever changing. See also Solar Day, Mean Solar-Day, and Sidereal-Day. Even the Moon's distance from the Earth has always been changing. This is the perpetual nature of evolution.

    Day 5: Birds (Feduccia, A. 1995. Explosive evolution in tertiary birds and mammals. Science 267: 637-638, ~70 x 106 years ago), whales (~50 x 106 years ago) and sea mammals ("swarms of living creatures," where "creatures" is the Hebrew word nephesh, referring to soulish animals - those that can form relationships with humans) were created, which would correspond to the end of the Cretaceous period/beginning of the Tertiary.

    Day 6: The "beasts of the earth" (the Hebrew word is chayyah, which is best translated as "wild animal," usually referring to carnivorous mammals [the extinct families Miacidae and Viverravidae, appeared ~50 x 106 years ago or current families Canidae, Felidae, Mustelidae, and Viverridae appeared ~30 x 106 years ago]) the wild and domesticated mammals such as cattle (the Hebrew word is behemah, from which we get the word behemoth, the artiodactyls, large grazing mammals, appeared ~15 x 106 years ago) and rodents (mammals that "creep on the ground") were created.

    Day 7: God kicks His boots off, cracks open a cold one and ti-vo's the latest episode of Braking Bad.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    The sun wasn't created on the 4th day.

    You are demonstrating the same level of ignorance of what the bible says as that creationist is ignorant of what science says. You're both the same.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You are demonstrating the same level of ignorance of what the bible says as that creationist is ignorant of what science says. You're both the same.
    No, just being a bible literalist, you know, playing the game on their own turf.

    To expose pure absurdity, sometimes you have to be absurd (reductio ad absurdium)
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, just being a bible literalist, you know, playing the game on their own turf.

    To expose pure absurdity, sometimes you have to be absurd (reductio ad absurdium)
    You didn't expose an absurdity, though. In fact no part of what I posted record any star being created at all.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    The earth measures days as one rotation upon its axis while in an orbit around the sun that takes 365.242 days to complete a full orbit.

    Yeah, bringing in actual science to point out the folly of the bible.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    The earth measures days as one rotation upon its axis while in an orbit around the sun that takes 365.242 days to complete a full orbit.

    Yeah, bringing in actual science to point out the folly of the bible.
    You mean "yom", because this was written in Hebrew. Yom does not mean 24hrs. it means a finite period of time with a beginning and an end.

    This is the beginning of why both YEC and people like yourself are wrong. As I said, you're both the same, equally ignorant of what things actually are, and here you're even making the same mistakes.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Has nothing to do with liberals vs conservatives.

    Has to do with intellect and logic vs believing 2000 year old books of fables.
    only 2 kinds of people take the bible word for word: extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mean "yom", because this was written in Hebrew. Yom does not mean 24hrs. it means a finite period of time with a beginning and an end.
    Again, the silliness of the bible, because it has been translated so many times and rewritten so many times that is is pretty much just a giant game of "telephone"

    You are just interpreting the bible to fit your own predetermined beliefs. A day is 24 hours, a day is not "a day, as god would have it, which is completely unknown because god works in mysterious ways..yadda yadda yadda".

    Either be literal 100%, or you are picking and choosing what to believe from your bible...which invalidates it.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    only 2 kinds of people take the bible word for word: extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.
    If the bible is in English, and one takes it literally, there will necessarily be problems because Hebrew does not translate very well at all into English.

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