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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Oh god. That joke.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Most awkward one liner ever.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I feel like Bill Nye is trying to both debate creationism while also being charismatic, making memorable one-liners, and exciting people about science in general. As a consequence, he seems to be struggling on all fronts.

    Add a simplistic explanation of 'survival of the fittest' to the list of poorly used and explained scientific theories by Bill.

    I feel like a good question for Ham would be how he can promote creationism being taught in the classroom when it is unabashedly Christian-based? Ultimately, the creationist 'critical thinking' is dependent upon the truth of the Bible. Thus, why not consider creationism as described by other scriptures? The creationist perspective reduces 'science' (as defined by Ham - he defined several terms to his preference) to fitting into a pre-accepted truth. How can that thinking not be biased?

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Yeah, that hurt. One of the things I learned a long time ago while teaching is, "know if you're funny, and if you're not, stop telling jokes."

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I completely disagree with those who think Nye should have been more "aggressive." I think he was as organized as he needed to be, and if I wanted to watch two people shout over each other and call each other idiots I'd watch Fox News.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Botanist View Post
    I feel like Bill Nye is trying to both debate creationism while also being charismatic, making memorable one-liners, and exciting people about science in general. As a consequence, he seems to be struggling on all fronts.

    Add a simplistic explanation of 'survival of the fittest' to the list of poorly used and explained scientific theories by Bill.

    I feel like a good question for Ham would be how he can promote creationism being taught in the classroom when it is unabashedly Christian-based? Ultimately, the creationist 'critical thinking' is dependent upon the truth of the Bible. Thus, why not consider creationism as described by other scriptures? The creationist perspective reduces 'science' (as defined by Ham - he defined several terms to his preference) to fitting into a pre-accepted truth. How can that thinking not be biased?

    I think Bill Nye is trying to communicate information in a manner that leaves questions open

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I think Bill Nye should have spent more effort explaining process. Creationists already "know" the answer, "creation science" is a search for evidence that supports a conclusion which they've already decided is the absolute truth. Real scientists start by gathering evidence, finding the best possible explanation, then looking to see if future evidence supports their previous conclusions. If something contradicts they're findings, they change their beliefs.

    And that is what's fundamentally dangerous about creationism. It's a complete abandonment of critical thinking.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That was a phenomenally well presented argument by Nye.
    Watching where I left off. Had to go play pub trivia (which we won...of course).

    Ham has nothing but a static, 2000 year old book of fables written for ignorant nomads.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Watching where I left off. Had to go play pub trivia (which we won...of course).

    Ham has nothing but a static, 2000 year old book of fables written for ignorant nomads.
    I am quite the bar trivia enthusiast myself. And yes, we win a lot.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I am quite the bar trivia enthusiast myself. And yes, we win a lot.
    We always win, I know science, geography and literature, we have a sports buff and someone for pop references. Bad part is that the person doing the questions is frequently wrong...sigh
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