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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    I feel they have more relevance to our purpose here on Earth, which I believe is to live a proper life, not the one they necessarily want to live in order that one's soul may be deemed worthy to move on to a better place after life.
    Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way."

    An appeal to tradition essentially makes two assumptions that are not necessarily true:

    The old way of thinking was proven correct when introduced, i.e. since the old way of thinking was prevalent, it was necessarily correct.
    In actuality this may be false—the tradition might be entirely based on incorrect grounds.
    The past justifications for the tradition are still valid at present.
    In actuality, the circumstances may have changed; this assumption may also therefore be untrue.
    The opposite of an appeal to tradition is an appeal to novelty, claiming something is good because it is new.

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    I don't want a "comprehension of science"
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Wasnt it tradition to hold people from other lands in slavery for thousands of years?
    Wasnt it tradition to celebrate the solstice because it meant the sun was coming back?
    Wasnt it tradition to believe that the sun revolved around the earth?
    Yes it was, and at least two of those things there's absolutely nothing wrong with. I'll let you ponder which two.

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way."
    You don't have to accept it as your way of viewing the world, but many of us still do.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it was, and at least two of those things there's absolutely nothing wrong with. I'll let you ponder which two.



    You don't have to accept it as your way of viewing the world, but many of us still do.
    A logical fallacy is your world view? That's F'd.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    A logical fallacy is your world view? That's F'd.
    One man's logical fallacy is another man's philosophical bedrock.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    One man's logical fallacy is another man's philosophical bedrock.
    Yes, it is. It certainly is.
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    I don't want a "comprehension of science"
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    There is no faith whatsoever in science.
    Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, why don't you want to comprehend things? It would demystify life. It must be mind boggling living in a world like Alice in Wonderland
    or Winnie the Pooh where there is no science.
    They have to say that. The anti-intellectual, anti-science crowd has nothing left but to try to call science faith since all logical arguments fail for them. Nothing you can do, it is and will continue to be an automatic response by some of the larger science haters.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have always seen you as a creationist, and I don't understand why you are timid to represent it. I would have more respect if you did rather than playing dodge ball, strawman, and semantics.

    We already think you're complaining about people ignoring the role of God in evolution. Why not just say it?

    You won't get bashed by every science nerd in here for believing in God. Christian bashers are assholes.
    I don't know where you got that idea or why you think it is relevant. The quote regarding natural selection is wrong whether or not I am a "creationist."

    We already think you're complaining about people ignoring the role of God in evolution. Why not just say it?
    That belief is a product of your own biases. There is no basis for it in anything I've said in this thread, or any other.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    The quote regarding natural selection was not wrong, it was vague, it was too vague based on your initial criticism. And you were asked several dozen times to specifically indicate your grievance and tell us what the poster missed.

    When you come into a thread being a jerk and accusing several of us of being so extremely ignorant and naive that we will believe anything we read online, then it is a bit ironic to see you get defensive and accuse us of bias against you.

    Truth is, yeah, I think you are creationist or supporter of intelligent design. That's my opinion. It's nothing personal, so there's no reason to get defensive. If I am wrong, then correct me. I am not interested in bickering.

    I am interested in knowing exactly why you have been harping on Southern Democrat's post, and what exactly he didn't mention that got you so amped up and judgmental.


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't know where you got that idea or why you think it is relevant. The quote regarding natural selection is wrong whether or not I am a "creationist."


    That belief is a product of your own biases. There is no basis for it in anything I've said in this thread, or any other.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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