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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Evolution is a scientific theory which states that organisms will physically change and adapt to better survive in their environment over time. This theory is intended to show why very similar animals in different areas of the world may have widely varied diets, physical traits, and may act differently.

    Evolution is also part of a larger theory which suggests that human beings have not always been human but rather have evolved from a common ancestor with apes. This theory denies any connection to a divine power or any sort of intelligent design in nature.
    LOL. You know, for a guy who rejects evolution that's actually not bad, my only real objection being that the scientific theory doesn't go so far as to actively reject divine powers because the scientific methods can't take into consideration nonfalsifiable factors. So what's the problem then? We've already micro and macro evolution in action.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It doesn't take much to show how foolish and deceitful the evolutionist are. Look at Bill Nye, a non-scientist who started on a kid's television show, teaching third-grade science projects.
    Then why is Ken Ham so excited to debate him if he's so worthless? Ken is going to get his ass kicked, like he always does, because he's unable to produce any evidence to support his claims.

    Talk about foolish.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    LOL. You know, for a guy who rejects evolution that's actually not bad, my only real objection being that the scientific theory doesn't go so far as to actively reject divine powers because the scientific methods can't take into consideration nonfalsifiable factors. So what's the problem then? We've already micro and macro evolution in action.
    I never said I was for or against the theory of Evolution. What I have said is that I oppose any viewpoint which cannot be proven as the sole option unless it is done based on Faith instead of science.

    Very few whom I've met deny That creatures evolve. What they reject is the idea that evolution was part of the original creation of the world. That is due to their Faith in an alternate theory.

    It's the tie to the beginning if the world which makes all the difference.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I never said I was for or against the theory of Evolution. What I have said is that I oppose any viewpoint which cannot be proven as the sole option unless it is done based on Faith instead of science.

    Very few whom I've met deny That creatures evolve. What they reject is the idea that evolution was part of the original creation of the world. That is due to their Faith in an alternate theory.

    It's the tie to the beginning if the world which makes all the difference.
    Abiogenesis and evolution are different subjects.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It doesn't take much to show how foolish and deceitful the evolutionist are. Look at Bill Nye, a non-scientist who started on a kid's television show, teaching third-grade science projects.
    Welcome to Debate Politics.com. This forum is proudly brought to you as a product of science. And evolutionary science at that. All science is evolutionary...just like all living things.

    Other than natural elements of earth...everything else that you experience....food, housing, communications, medicine, clothing, etc, etc, etc....SCIENCE!

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Abiogenesis and evolution are different subjects.
    All too often Big Bang/beginning of the world, abiogenesis, and evolution are taught either together or as extensions of each other. They are not properly separated as topics and therefore become lumped together conceptually. It's really the first two theories the religious people decry. Evolution gets tied in with it.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    All too often Big Bang/beginning of the world, abiogenesis, and evolution are taught either together or as extensions of each other. They are not properly separated as topics and therefore become lumped together conceptually. It's really the first two theories the religious people decry. Evolution gets tied in with it.
    Informally, sure, it's natural when talking about the evolution of the species to also want to talk about the origin of the species. Formally and scientifically, they're different fields, every bit as different as abiogenesis is from the Big Bang.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Informally, sure, it's natural when talking about the evolution of the species to also want to talk about the origin of the species. Formally and scientifically, they're different fields, every bit as different as abiogenesis is from the Big Bang.
    I won't disagree with any of that. Unfortunately most 15 year olds are not capable of making those differentiations.

    IF these scientific theories (big bang and abiogenesis) could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt It would be one thing but considering that they cannot be proven I find it to be rather impolite that they are taught as if no other option is possible.

    That's what most religious people have am issue with.

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