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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Gravity, which is the bending of time space, is what has the energy associated with it.
    You"ll have to explain what you mean by that...
    or... do you mean that vacuum energy exerts gravitational forces?

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Here's what I would love to see.... Hammer simply saying to Nye "Prove it beyond a reasonable doubt" every time Nye makes a point and replying "Faith does not require proof" whenever Nye does the same. I'm sure it would frustrate Nye to no end.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Here's what I would love to see.... Hammer simply saying to Nye "Prove it beyond a reasonable doubt" every time Nye makes a point and replying "Faith does not require proof" whenever Nye does the same. I'm sure it would frustrate Nye to no end.
    Nye: "Prove creationism"
    Ham: "No, you prove evolution."
    Nye: "I will when you prove creationism."
    Ham: "Prove evolution and I might."

    That debate would be awesome.

    No wait, my bad, I meant the opposite of awesome.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Great a debate between a once was and a never was. Neither would be folks I'd go to for an opinion on anything.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    You"ll have to explain what you mean by that...
    or... do you mean that vacuum energy exerts gravitational forces?

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    More that uncertainty and gravity are part cause of measurable vacuum energy. Nature abhors a vacuum. Uncertainty leads to the generation of the matter/anti-matter pair formation and we measure this in part as vacuum energy. Vacuum energy doesn't cause vacuum fluctuations, but rather (and simplistically) it's the other way around.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nye: "Prove creationism"
    Ham: "No. Faith does not require proof. In fact if proof is possible it isn't Faith."
    Ham: "How about you try to scientifically prove Evolution, since science doesn't accept Faith."
    Nye."I can't. "
    I corrected that for you.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    More that uncertainty and gravity are part cause of measurable vacuum energy. Nature abhors a vacuum.
    Indeed, unc. principle and gravity are associated with vacuum energy.

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    Uncertainty leads to the generation of the matter/anti-matter pair formation and we measure this in part as vacuum energy. Vacuum energy doesn't cause vacuum fluctuations, but rather (and simplistically) it's the other way around.
    Yes, we already talked about that.

    The point I'm trying to make is that vacuum has energy associated with it, and it effects various properties of our universe - such as expansion for instance, meaning it isn't "nothing".


    Anyways, here are two short videos from my professors, hope you like;


    skip to 4:50 (EDIT - the vid is from 2011 i.e before the discovery of Higgs boson)



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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I corrected that for you.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Indeed, unc. principle and gravity are associated with vacuum energy.


    Yes, we already talked about that.

    The point I'm trying to make is that vacuum has energy associated with it, and it effects various properties of our universe - such as expansion for instance, meaning it isn't "nothing".


    Anyways, here are two short videos from my professors, hope you like;


    skip to 4:50 (EDIT - the vid is from 2011 i.e before the discovery of Higgs boson)



    Cheers,
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    It does have effects, particularly notable in ground state energies of atoms where the lamb shift is relatively "stronger". It can very well have an effect on expansion given a vacuum bubble being the cause of the big bang. But none of this is contradictory to anything I said.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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