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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.....


    No...wait...thats silly.

    In the beginning there was...nothing...a vast expanse of nothing which can only be described as a nothingness...a vacuum...a complete lack of existence of all matter of any nature. Nothing...less than the size of a pinpoint...less because in fact even the pinpoint didnt exist. There was in every way, shape and form...nothing. Less than nothing. Then...there was this mysterious explosion...or rather implosion...caused by...nothing...which suddenly and in an instant created matter of all nature, planets, elements, and an ever expanding cosmos........
    Vacuum fluctuations happen, even in our expanded universe. Measured system.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Vacuum fluctuations happen, even in our expanded universe. Measured system.
    Vacuum fluctuations indeed happen, however a more educated creationists would simply ask "Where did the vacuum come from?"

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Vacuum fluctuations indeed happen, however a more educated creationists would simply ask "Where did the vacuum come from?"

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    A vacuum is merely nothing. If nothing exists then there is your vacuum. It's banal platitude to query the vacuum.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A vacuum is merely nothing. If nothing exists then there is your vacuum. It's banal platitude to query the vacuum.
    You and I know that vacuum isn't "nothing" - at least not in a complete "nothingness" sense of the word as non science related people mean and understand it.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    You and I know that vacuum isn't "nothing" - at least not in a complete "nothingness" sense of the word as non science related people mean and understand it.

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    I think you're stretching. I think that you don't know the real questions to ask in relation to quantum uncertainty. You grabbed onto the word vacuum without understanding vacuum fluctuations, or so it seems.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think you're stretching. I think that you don't know the real questions to ask in relation to quantum uncertainty. You grabbed onto the word vacuum without understanding vacuum fluctuations, or so it seems.
    What exactly is the stretch?
    I grabbed onto the word vacuum because "vacuum" isn't "nothing" on the quantum level, especially due to the quantum fluctuations (unc. principle).

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    What exactly is the stretch?
    I grabbed into the word vacuum because "vacuum" isn't "nothing" on the quantum level, especially due to the quantum fluctuations (unc. principle).

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    Vacuum is the absence of particles in a particular volume. Vacuum fluctuations are the spontaneous generation of matter/anti-matter pairs as dictated by the uncertainty principles of quantum mechanics.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Vacuum is the absence of particles in a particular volume. Vacuum fluctuations are the spontaneous generation of matter/anti-matter pairs as dictated by the uncertainty principles of quantum mechanics.
    Yes, and this leads us to the fact that vacuum has an energy associated with it - meaning that it is not "nothing".
    It is indeed not matter as in atoms, planets, etc, but it isn't "nothing", as it has properties that scientists try to study and understand.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm well aware, as I was raised in that filth. The cowards like to do it generally only in the elementary schools because the kids are still docile and impressionable, it doesn't go over as well in the high schools, though there are undoubtably people like you that try to teach it anyway.

    Would have an issue with say, a muslim, hindu, or shinto teacher in your school teaching all the kids that their religion is right? Or is it only OK when you do it?You have every right to your religion, but you don't have the right to force it onto our nation's kids.
    the same thing in this thread id said in the other thread


    you are correct, it has ZERO place in science class or any mandatory class, to even think it belongs is irrational and illogical


    its really simple actually all one has to do is think about it like a court case.


    a court case based on the facts, science, logical , theories, evidence etc of evolution could get a conviction or at least for super skeptics make it to trial

    a court case based on the facts, science, logical , theories, evidence etc of creationism wouldnt even get charges brought up, it would never make it to court.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Yes, and this leads us to the fact that vacuum has an energy associated with it - meaning that it is not "nothing".
    It is indeed not matter as in atoms, planets, etc, but it isn't "nothing", as it has properties that scientists try to study and understand.

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    Gravity, which is the bending of time space, is what has the energy associated with it.
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