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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Tell me, concerning the Mars project Nye worked on, did it evolve or did someone with intelligence design it?
    Tell me, is deflection and sidestepping facts the only way you can make an argument?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    During my time working as a substitute teacher here in Texas, I worked for one particular school district, usually teaching in elementary school. It was not uncommon to both teach the children about the foolishness of evolution, but also about God's special creation. In fact, it was not uncommon to lead the classroom in a prayer before going to lunch.

    I imagine there are thousands of classrooms where things like this occur, especially in small rural school districts.
    I'm well aware, as I was raised in that filth. The cowards like to do it generally only in the elementary schools because the kids are still docile and impressionable, it doesn't go over as well in the high schools, though there are undoubtably people like you that try to teach it anyway.

    Would have an issue with say, a muslim, hindu, or shinto teacher in your school teaching all the kids that their religion is right? Or is it only OK when you do it?You have every right to your religion, but you don't have the right to force it onto our nation's kids.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Thinking the earth is 6k years old is as retarded as thinking the distance from New York to California is 6 meters.
    I just checked the map I have, and the distance between New York and California is about 6 inches. Admittedly, it's a small map. When I signed up for the ACA, it had my age listed as 6,000 years. Go figure. (Just kidding about the ACA).

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    You are obviously opposed to continue reading that article past a first few sentences, and preferred to make wild assumptions about Bill Nye. That is the opposite of keeping yourself informed.

    Its one thing to make assumptions and observations about the world, and another thing to test those assumptions and observation for accuracy. Everybody makes assumptions, only ignorant people refuse to test and question their observations and assumptions.


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    I'm opposed to learning, yet how many assumptions did you make in this post of yours?

    The reason intellectuals try to avoid making assumptions is because it precludes learning.

    Not that it matters, but I do delight a bit in the irony.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Last time I checked, about 30 minutes ago, we "evolutionists" had the fossils and we had the evidence; therefore, we win.
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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Again, I am NOT an atheist, but I have a huge problem with teaching children intelligent design. Ham's Intelligent Design Museum teaches that children had pet dinosaurs and the great flood carved out the grand canyon.

    I have a problem with teaching that stuff to children in a science class. If belief in God is brought up and mentioned in science class, that is different. But it is not a teacher's place to tell students that the Book of Genesis is not meant to be taken literally and that its all an allegory, or that science doesn't prove Genesis wrong because Genesis is correct and science is all fairytales and guessing.

    If anything, I think it would be a great exercise for students to learn about scientists like Galileo who were persecuted for having discovered scientific facts like the earth is round and it is moving and revolving. They were Christian and they were also scientist, their lives were threatened, their books were banned and burned, and they faced execution. Yet they never recanted their discoveries, which were observable scientific fact, and their discoveries did not turn them into atheists.

    Their discoveries are not controversial anymore, and the entire world didn't go atheist because of it. I see no point or value in religious groups stifling scientific knowledge. If we discovered alien life on another planet, it wouldn't cause me to doubt God either.





    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not afraid people will walk out atheist - because people can believe whatever they want.

    In line with that thinking, I don't see any problem teaching both theories in school and allowing kids to believe what they want.

    The atheists are the ones trying to silence one side of the debate. I'm simply saying let's give equal time to both sides.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I just saw the mod warning...

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    There is a difference between the theories and the facts of evolution. Evolution of life forms is observable within the time span of average, human lives. And many people accept scientific theories of all sorts, such as the popular scientific theory of plate tectonics. I've also met a number of people opposed evolution like yourself, who had trouble grasping that plate tectonics is a scientific theory and not a scientic fact as a whole. That would indicate that some people really don't understand the fundamentals of scientific study and methodology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock. Granted, we were fish for a little while, then tiny salamander looking things, then rodents.

    Forgive me, but it all seems a bit Harry Potter-esque to me.

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    Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    The Big Bang is not evolution.



    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.....


    No...wait...thats silly.

    In the beginning there was...nothing...a vast expanse of nothing which can only be described as a nothingness...a vacuum...a complete lack of existence of all matter of any nature. Nothing...less than the size of a pinpoint...less because in fact even the pinpoint didnt exist. There was in every way, shape and form...nothing. Less than nothing. Then...there was this mysterious explosion...or rather implosion...caused by...nothing...which suddenly and in an instant created matter of all nature, planets, elements, and an ever expanding cosmos........

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