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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

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True. Having someone as high-profile as Bill Nye talk to this guy gives the false impression that creationists are somehow an equal in this "debate."

I think the idea was to beat Ham so bad it would embarrass the movement.

You should see these Conservapedia types man, they are mentally deranged when it comes to this subject and all this debate will do is reinforce their delusions of intellectual integrity.

They literally believe that science itself is on the side of Young Earth Creationism, their evidence is completely ****ing bogus.
 
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Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?

The real question is, how many seconds can Nye hold the debate before it just turns into one long defense against false statements about evolution?
 
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The debate begins at 7pm. Why does the website have a countdown right now at two hours and twenty minutes?
 
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The debate begins at 7pm. Why does the website have a countdown right now at two hours and twenty minutes?

7:00 PM Eastern time?
 
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I think the idea was to beat Ham so bad it would embarrass the movement.

You should see these Conservapedia types man, they are mentally deranged when it comes to this subject and all this debate will do is reinforce their delusions of intellectual integrity.

They literally believe that science itself is on the side of Young Earth Creationism, their evidence is completely ****ing bogus.

But you can't "beat" people who think like this. There is no standard of evidence, no argument you can make, and no discussion to be had that will in any way change their minds. They think they are right, because they think God said so and God can't be wrong. Any "evidence" they think exists for their argument is retroactive, they start with the conclusion and shoehorn evidence to fit the preconception. People subscribing to the idea are already beyond help. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they did not reason themselves in to.

Furthermore, creationists have no argument to present in favor of their idea. Instead, they just attempt to poke holes in evolution and spit out as many logical fallacies as they can. They just throw the entire plate of spaghetti at the wall knowing that it takes more time and effort to debunk bull**** than it does to create bull****. The impression left to the idiots is that there are JUST SO MANY HOLES in evolution, and they don't really keep track of the fact that every one of these so-called holes is readily explainable with science and evidence.
 
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You can't prove Creationism any more than you can believe in evolution.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?

Not sure if I can even watch this. Much like a Fox news program, I find it so cringe worthy and blatantly stupid I have to just shut it off.
 
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But you can't "beat" people who think like this. There is no standard of evidence, no argument you can make, and no discussion to be had that will in any way change their minds. They think they are right, because they think God said so and God can't be wrong. Any "evidence" they think exists for their argument is retroactive, they start with the conclusion and shoehorn evidence to fit the preconception. People subscribing to the idea are already beyond help. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they did not reason themselves in to.

Furthermore, creationists have no argument to present in favor of their idea. Instead, they just attempt to poke holes in evolution and spit out as many logical fallacies as they can. They just throw the entire plate of spaghetti at the wall knowing that it takes more time and effort to debunk bull**** than it does to create bull****. The impression left to the idiots is that there are JUST SO MANY HOLES in evolution, and they don't really keep track of the fact that every one of these so-called holes is readily explainable with science and evidence.

This was a great summary of not just creationist arguments, but of bs itself. This can also be applied to the conspiracy and environmental forums as well.
 
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But you can't "beat" people who think like this. There is no standard of evidence, no argument you can make, and no discussion to be had that will in any way change their minds. They think they are right, because they think God said so and God can't be wrong. Any "evidence" they think exists for their argument is retroactive, they start with the conclusion and shoehorn evidence to fit the preconception. People subscribing to the idea are already beyond help. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they did not reason themselves in to.

Furthermore, creationists have no argument to present in favor of their idea. Instead, they just attempt to poke holes in evolution and spit out as many logical fallacies as they can. They just throw the entire plate of spaghetti at the wall knowing that it takes more time and effort to debunk bull**** than it does to create bull****. The impression left to the idiots is that there are JUST SO MANY HOLES in evolution, and they don't really keep track of the fact that every one of these so-called holes is readily explainable with science and evidence.

I can't really imagine how else it would play out.
 
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This was a great summary of not just creationist arguments, but of bs itself. This can also be applied to the conspiracy and environmental forums as well.

Yes, these are aspects of human nature and not specific to religious fundamentalists.
 
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This debate should be as close a competition as the super bowl.

Only if you consider a competition as one side actually scoring points and playing by the rules, and the other team pretending that those points do not count because Jesus wouldnt allow that type of scoring in the bible.
 
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Persecution complex, right on cue.

Shocking, attempts to pull science down to a religion or philosophy. :roll:
 
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Only if you consider a competition as one side actually scoring points and playing by the rules, and the other team pretending that those points do not count because Jesus wouldnt allow that type of scoring in the bible.
The pro-creation side has it's audience. It will score it's points. Public debate never was about objective reason but rallying the base.
 
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Ooh. The "atheist lobby."
 
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Ooh. The "atheist lobby."

Jesus there's so much going on here, straw mans, Pursecution complex, blatant lies and plain fantasy land absurdity.
 
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Creationist bringing up dogs is hilarious.

Oh, and that paper he brought up describing a common origin for dogs? Also describes their divergence from a common ancestry with wolves.
 
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Ham says we can't have evolution because we weren't around to observe it...LOL

No one was around to observe Jesus and all that smiting BS either.

We have a time machine, it is called DNA, it is the coding that makes every living thing, and we can go back in time with it by comparing the genomes of all animals.

But Ham is just a zealot whackjob nutter.
 
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"It's not teaching kids religion, but I totally admit my entire world view is based on this religious book!"

Love the same-sex marriage jabs.
 
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"Creation has the story of Babel to explain the divergence of cultures and languages, and what do you know? That's exactly what we have!"
 
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Ham says we can't have evolution because we weren't around to observe it...LOL

No one was around to observe Jesus and all that smiting BS either.

We have a time machine, it is called DNA, it is the coding that makes every living thing, and we can go back in time with it by comparing the genomes of all animals.

But Ham is just a zealot whackjob nutter.

By that same token we cannot find a murderer guilty because we were not around to observe it.
 
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That was a phenomenally well presented argument by Nye.
 
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By that same token we cannot find a murderer guilty because we were not around to observe it.

"I know you just mentioned several ways in which the age of the earth can be measured, but you can't observe the age of the earth!"

edit: Oh god creation dip**** just spat out the carbon dating lie. Deliberate deception from people ostensibly trying to educate others infuriates me.
 
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I am sad I missed most of it because of my evidence class, but I have to say listening to them is just interesting. Bill Nye is also being much kinder than I think many of us would be.
 
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