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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bill Nye's entertainment career ended in the 90's. That's what I said, that's how it is. He doesn't have a show anymore. He doesn't go on talk shows. People aren't lining up to interview him.

    Maybe that's why he feels the need to come out with whacky controversial garbage like he did: the man is trying to stay relevant.

    It's kind of sad actually.

    He's like the guy that played Bud Bundy on that 90's show Married with Children. Every couple years you hear something about him trying to make a comeback, but it's just never going to happen.
    Apparently you have never seen Modern Family?

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's really one of the problems. Creationists have no way to actually defend creationism, they can't show that it happened, they can't prove anything, they have no evidence, all they can do is try to make the scientist look foolish and claim victory, even though they did nothing whatsoever to earn it.
    It doesn't take much to show how foolish and deceitful the evolutionist are. Look at Bill Nye, a non-scientist who started on a kid's television show, teaching third-grade science projects.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I stopped reading at "Bill Nye, the popular TV scientist...."

    He hasn't been a relevant public figure for 20 years. His career in television ended long, long ago.
    Fist off, Bill Nye is f'n awesome. Secondly, he's been doing continual work in science education and science research since his show. He is completely relevant in the world of popular science.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Right, it was settled 100 years ago.... that's why half of the country doesn't believe in evolution.
    I question the accuracy of the claims of Christianity, as do Jews, Muslims, Taoists, Confucianists and Buddhists. In light of this do you now see that Christianity is wrong?

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... You do realize that telescopes allow us to observe planets and celestial bodies in creation? We've actually progressed to the point where we can literally look back in time.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    he was recently on Dancing with the Stars
    His dancing ability is only surpassed by his scientific prowess.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by GJ Flash View Post
    And bigot is about the nicest word I'd use to describe Bill Nye.

    My first question would be, how far do people expect to get in a philosophical discussion that begins with insults? Not far, I hope.

    I'm not one of those people who believes in a strictly literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, but what is so unbelievable about the prospect of a creative intelligence?

    We have evolved and are still evolving, are we not?
    Isn't it possible that life exists (or has existed) on other planets? There are trillions of them after all, many of them just like ours.
    Isn't it reasonable to assume that the life on other planets has also evolved or is still evolving, just like us?
    Isn't it reasonable to assume that life on other planets could have evolved into something that is beyond our understanding?
    If you could create life, would you? We already can create and manipulate life, and we are little more than primates dragging our knuckles through the mud.
    Isn't it fair to assume that another being with the ability to create life would use that ability?

    I know, there are multiple conclusionary leaps involved here, but which part is absolutely unbelievable? Which part is arguably impossible?

    I don't agree with Ham's vision of the universe, nor do I agree with Nye's, but it's hard to find common ground when you are arguing from the two extreme ends of the debate.
    I have never heard Bill Nye once argue that it's stupid or wrong to believe in some kind of creative intelligence. I believe he is an atheist and doesn't believe in one, but I've never heard him argue against the idea in general. What he argues against are creationist hacks that want it taught that the earth is a literal 6000 years old and that evolution is a myth. That's what I've heard him argue against. Bill Nye argues for stuff that we have evidence to support such as evolution and the age of the earth. Ken Ham argues for stuff that has demonstrably been proven to be wrong countless times. There are huge differences. If Bill Nye were arguing that he can prove there is and was no creative intelligence at all at any point, then you would have a point.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If ...your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.
    During my time working as a substitute teacher here in Texas, I worked for one particular school district, usually teaching in elementary school. It was not uncommon to both teach the children about the foolishness of evolution, but also about God's special creation. In fact, it was not uncommon to lead the classroom in a prayer before going to lunch.

    I imagine there are thousands of classrooms where things like this occur, especially in small rural school districts.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    His dancing ability is only surpassed by his scientific prowess.
    Yeah, well when you design equipment included in our Mars expeditions, then perchance you'll have some room to talk about scientific prowess.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, well when you design equipment included in our Mars expeditions, then perchance you'll have some room to talk about scientific prowess.
    Tell me, concerning the Mars project Nye worked on, did it evolve or did someone with intelligence design it?

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