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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Ah...so...is that 'the answer'? Because...the articles you cited seem to believe all that stuff is theory and theory based on theory, theory which still cant account for the original existence of 'something'....

    Im sure the scientific community will be excited to learn that it has been finally proven as to what happened, how it all came about, and we can put an end to all those other silly theories that so many cling to in their magical belief system.

    Edit...from the cited article...

    "In the beginning, there was not yet any matter. However, there was a lot of energy in the form of light, which comes in discrete packets called photons."

    OK...so where did the magical discreet packets of light called photons come from that magically came into existence and from which, all form of mass and element appeared? Oh...and I suppose we should also ask where the source of extreme heat came from that converted the baryons into competing matter types. And is this all settled then? No competing scientific theory? We are 'proven'...right? Cuz...you have apparently bought into it full on with no question. And why should YOU question it...you just 'believe'...because someone else says it is so. Or at least....they theorize that it is so.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know why he would debate a creationist. That debate was settled over 100 years ago. By debating them you give the appearance of legitimacy to their arguments when there is no legitimacy to them. Would you debate someone that claimed the earth was flat? Would you debate someone that claimed the earth was the center of the universe? How about debating someone that believed that mental illness resulted from demonic possession? How about debating someone that rejected the law of gravity and instead asserted that objects fall to the earth due to God's divine force acting upon them?

    There are two fundamental laws in Biology:

    1. All of the phenomena of biology, the entities and the processes, are ultimately obedient to the laws of physics and chemistry. Not immediately reducible to them, but ultimately consistent and in consilience with them, by a cause and effect explanation.

    2. All biological phenomena, these entities and processes that define life itself, have arisen by evolution through natural selection.

    The fact that some ignorant fundamentalists don't accept that has does not call those laws into question. It merely demonstrates their ignorance. I am all for scientists doing a better job of communicating the science behind evolution to the masses, but debating some nut and thus giving legitimacy to that nut's position is a bad idea in my opinion.


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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ah...so...is that 'the answer'? Because...the articles you cited seem to believe all that stuff is theory and theory based on theory, theory which still cant account for the original existence of 'something'....
    ... Theory? You do realize that less than 2 years ago the Standard Model was proven to be correct. Yes? Here:

    Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On 4 July 2012, it was announced that a previously unknown particle with a mass between 125 and 127 GeV/c2 (134.2 and 136.3 amu) had been detected; physicists suspected at the time that it was the Higgs boson.[14][9][15] By March 2013, the particle had been proven to behave, interact and decay in many of the ways predicted by the Standard Model, and was also tentatively confirmed to have positive parity and zero spin,[1] two fundamental attributes of a Higgs boson.
    Seriously man, you're way out of your zone here. Particle decay is not "a theory"....

    OK...so where did the magical discreet packets of light called photons come from that magically came into existence and from which, all form of mass and element appeared?
    Photons are generated by many natural processes. They are emitted when a charged particle is accelerated. They also can be released when a molecule, atom or nucleus goes from one energy state to another. Finally, photons are released when a particle and its antiparticle are annihilated. This last process may sound unfamiliar. An example of a particle and its antiparticle is an electron (particle) and the positron (antiparticle). When these two subatomic particles encounter each other, both are nullified and often photons are released.

    Read more: Where Do Photons Come From? | eHow
    Seriously man...
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Thought people would be interested.



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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Now you're starting to cooperate. However, you're not quite there yet. You still think we evolved from "a soup". Can you tell us what Homo Sapien's most recent ancestor is? While you're researching, can you tell us what it is that frightens you so much about the concept of there being a natural explanation to the existence of life?
    I don't think we evolved from a "soup," I think evolution is just wrong. Likewise, I'm not frightened by there being a natural explanation to the existence of life, I just think the theory is wrong.

    Follow me down this rabbit hole for a second, if you would.

    We discovered DNA in 1953. That basically consisted of some fuzzy x-rays and a nice model and predictions by watson and crick that turned out to be pretty good. We didn't begin sequencing genomes until 2003. To date, we still haven't sequenced the majority of earth's species and, even those that we have, all we have is a reference of a few sample donors.

    All that said, we still don't know what the vast majority of genes even do. So to sum it up, our knowledge of genetics in 2014 is in its infancy. We have so much more to learn it's unfathomable.

    As we learn more about genetics, we will inevitably find a lot of things we didn't expect. There's no question that will happen as genes are incalculably complicated, and we've just begun to scratch the surface when it comes to understanding them. With those new discoveries, new theories about how and why they mutate and how and why different phenotypes occur are a certainty.

    It's not a matter of if evolution, at least in its current form, will be turned on its head. It's a matter of when.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Theory? You do realize that less than 2 years ago the Standard Model was proven to be correct. Yes? Here:

    Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Seriously man, you're way out of your zone here. Particle decay is not "a theory"....
    Seriously man...
    Again...WHERE did those magical photons of light energy come from?

    Seriously man...you do realize that in three posts you have posted numerous competing 'theories'...right? So...basic question...no dancing...do you believe that what you have posted is beyond question and 'theory' the proven origin of the cosmos? That 'in the beginning' (your articles words) there was nothing...no matter, no nothing...but SOMEHOW there were these light photons...and an extreme heat source of unknown origin, and that is what created the known universe. No big bang, no chaos (Id be willing to bet at least a few people here on this site alone would be devastated to know their belief in the Big Bang is all hocus pocus and bull****)? What about the "Incredible Bulk theory, Times Arrow, or Barbers 'Now' theory? I could go on of course as there are literally dozens of new theories developed in the last 100 years. Science will be glad to know that they can relax...stop creating new theory...because it is all now settled science.

    right?

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Theory? You do realize that less than 2 years ago the Standard Model was proven to be correct. Yes? Here:

    Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Seriously man, you're way out of your zone here. Particle decay is not "a theory"....





    Seriously man...


    I think what he's saying is that, according to Newton (a pretty smart cat), matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.... so where did the matter/energy come from?

    Now I've seen some theories that attempt to explain it, but if anyone on this forum is going to step up and pretend like they understand those papers, I'll spit my coffee at the screen laughing at you.

    We're talking mind-bendingly difficult physics.... and although that doesn't inherently make it wrong.... Occam's razor might have a thing or two to say about it.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Again...WHERE did those magical photons of light energy come from?

    Seriously man...you do realize that in three posts you have posted numerous competing 'theories'...right? So...basic question...no dancing...do you believe that what you have posted is beyond question and 'theory' the proven origin of the cosmos? That 'in the beginning' (your articles words) there was nothing...no matter, no nothing...but SOMEHOW there were these light photons...and an extreme heat source of unknown origin, and that is what created the known universe. No big bang, no chaos (Id be willing to bet at least a few people here on this site alone would be devastated to know their belief in the Big Bang is all hocus pocus and bull****)? What about the "Incredible Bulk theory, Times Arrow, or Barbers 'Now' theory? I could go on of course as there are literally dozens of new theories developed in the last 100 years. Science will be glad to know that they can relax...stop creating new theory...because it is all now settled science.

    right?
    You know, it's actually OK to say "I don't know what happened during the creation of the universe." instead of either making a bearded sky man responsible for it or trying to deduce it on a white board.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Again...WHERE did those magical photons of light energy come from?

    Seriously man...you do realize that in three posts you have posted numerous competing 'theories'...right?
    1. Particle decay is not a theory. It was proven true less than 2 years ago.
    2. They are emitted when a charged particle is accelerated. They also can be released when a molecule, atom or nucleus goes from one energy state to another. Finally, photons are released when a particle and its antiparticle are annihilated.


    What about the "Incredible Bulk theory, Times Arrow, or Barbers 'Now' theory? I could go on of course as there are literally dozens of new theories developed in the last 100 years.
    What about them? Some have been discredited, some are being studied in an effort to prove them. You're shooting yourself in this foot by following this approach. The creator origin simply can't be proven by any means. So it's not even a competing theory. The fact that there are competing theories for how the universe came to be is not a sign that science itself is wrong, it is proof that the religious answer (i.e. the creator) was found to be insufficient. So what exactly are you arguing against?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think evolution is just wrong
    Well it isn't.

    Sorry.

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