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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I'm not anti religious or atheist. I just know the difference between religion and science. I studied and learned evolution and I was never taught intelligent design, and at no point during those science classes did I ever question the existence of God.

    Why else would you want God and religion in such a class, unless you're afraid people walk out atheist?

    I'm not afraid people will walk out atheist - because people can believe whatever they want.

    In line with that thinking, I don't see any problem teaching both theories in school and allowing kids to believe what they want.

    The atheists are the ones trying to silence one side of the debate. I'm simply saying let's give equal time to both sides.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Evolution wasn't invented by Bill Nye.

    Sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring counter-arguments against your beliefs is pretty much par for the course for ol' Grimm. Carry on in your young earth ignorance.



    When your side can produce 1/100,000th of the facts and verifiable, peer reviewed evidence like evolution has, you'll be allowed to teach in school. Until then, keep it in a church where all religion belongs.
    So a bunch of atheists peer-review each other's papers, and that makes it fact. Sounds like fascism to me.

    I'll go with the American People over what some university pinheads think. In the democratic forum of ideas, the people have spoken: they believe in God and only 32% believe in evolution due to natural processes (2009 Pew Research).

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So a bunch of atheists peer-review each other's papers, and that makes it fact. Sounds like fascism to me.

    I'll go with the American People over what some university pinheads think. In the democratic forum of ideas, the people have spoken: they believe in God and only 32% believe in evolution due to natural processes (2009 Pew Research).
    No, the entire world peer reviewed the data, over a period of 150 years. And what's interesting to note is that while only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes, only 31% believe in young earth creationism like yourself. [1] The majority of Americans DO believe in evolution, but less than half of those seem to believe the process was started by god. You still lose. The earth isn't 6,000 years old and nobody takes people like you seriously.

    If you want to poison your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No, the entire world peer reviewed the data, over a period of 150 years. And what's interesting to note is that while only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes, only 31% believe in young earth creationism like yourself. [1] The majority of Americans DO believe in evolution, but less than half of those seem to believe the process was started by god. You still lose. The earth isn't 6,000 years old and nobody takes people like you seriously.

    If you want to poison your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.
    Nice try at a runaround. Only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes. That's according to Pew.

    According to the Huffington Post, that number is only 21%.

    Evolution And God: Only 21% Of Americans Believe Humans Evolved Without Divine Guidance

    That's in spite of the fact that you've been forcing the theory down the public's throats in public schools since the 1950's (the Scopes trial was 90 years ago).

    So actually, you lose here. Nearly every American has been educated about evolution, the problem for you is that people have heard it and just don't believe it.

    And why would they? Outside your little groupthink-inspired academic circles, the theory defies common sense and good reason.


    Oh by the way.... 40% favor teaching creationism and intelligent design in schools while 32% oppose it and 29% are unsure.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nice try at a runaround. Only 32% of Americans believe in evolution due to natural processes. That's according to Pew.

    According to the Huffington Post, that number is only 21%.

    Evolution And God: Only 21% Of Americans Believe Humans Evolved Without Divine Guidance

    That's in spite of the fact that you've been forcing the theory down the public's throats in public schools since the 1950's (the Scopes trial was 90 years ago).

    So actually, you lose here. Nearly every American has been educated about evolution, the problem for you is that people have heard it and just don't believe it.

    And why would they? Outside your little groupthink-inspired academic circles, the theory defies common sense and good reason.


    Oh by the way.... 40% favor teaching creationism and intelligent design in schools while 32% oppose it and 29% are unsure.
    How is natural selection and evolution considered defying common sense?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How is natural selection and evolution considered defying common sense?
    The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock. Granted, we were fish for a little while, then tiny salamander looking things, then rodents.

    Forgive me, but it all seems a bit Harry Potter-esque to me.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How is natural selection and evolution considered defying common sense?
    Meet your great great great etc.... grandfather. Yeah, seems legit lol.

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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    I dont understand what the "debate" will be lol

    one will be talking about science, facts and some theories based on science, facts,logic and studies

    then the other will be talking about fantasies, guesses, philosophies and factually inaccurate information

    theres nothing to "debate"

    this is why one is taught in SCIENCE class and is a national/global standard of education and the other stuff is just random discussion/philosophies

    so funny when religious nuts get in an uproar over this stuff like its a black and white issue, if one believe facts and science that must mean they dont believe in god lol

    Im a christian and i believe in a god and this has no effect on me knowing and understanding science and vice versa

    Evolution is simple fact, parts of it arent complete and the origin of man isnt complete but evolution is fact, it can be seen, proven and supported the other can not and parts of it can be proven factually false
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock.
    ... Uh... that's about as accurate as stating we evolved from monkeys. Can you please tell us what biology books taught you that humans evolved from slime on a rock? Actually, can you show us what biology books teach on the origins of life? Here is one:

    http://www.cshlpress.com/default.tpl...qSKUdatarq=865

    Written and edited by experts in the field, this collection from Cold Spring Harbor Perspectives in Biology provides a comprehensive account of the environment of the early Earth and the mechanisms by which the organic molecules present may have self-assembled to form replicating material such as RNA and other polymers. The contributors examine the energetic requirements for this process and focus in particular on the essential role of semi-permeable compartments in containment of primitive genetic systems.
    Hm. No slime on a rock.

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Evoluti...n_Planet_Earth

    In its simplest possible form, life consists only of simple replicating chemical structures, such as amino acids and short RNA chains. These simple molecules are typically not what people think of when talking about "life", although it does serve as a convenient starting point to further studies of evolution.
    No slime on a rock there either. Third times the charm, yes?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26876/

    How did this machinery arise? One view is that an RNA world existed on Earth before modern cells arose (Figure 6-91). According to this hypothesis, RNA stored both genetic information and catalyzed the chemical reactions in primitive cells. Only later in evolutionary time did DNA take over as the genetic material and proteins become the major catalyst and structural component of cells. If this idea is correct, then the transition out of the RNA world was never complete; as we have seen in this chapter, RNA still catalyzes several fundamental reactions in modern-day cells, which can be viewed as molecular fossils of an earlier world.
    Nope. No slime on a rock either. What slime are you talking about? Which rock?
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    re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Uh... that's about as accurate as stating we evolved from monkeys. Can you please tell us what biology books taught you that humans evolved from slime on a rock? Actually, can you show us what biology books teach on the origins of life?
    That's pretty much what the theory of evolution states, favoring colloquialism over taxonomic nitpicky-ness, of course.

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