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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Anyone who is talking about "best in franchise history" has no clue about how punters are traded like baseball cards. If you're a punter for a team for 4 years, chances are likely that you hold punting records for them. I've seen Ray Guy award winners get shuffled from city to city.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    the guy's stats for 2012 had dropped. he had surgery to repair a torn ACL during the off season. he had a contract for 1.5 million dollars. The Vikings drafted a rookie punter they could pay league minimum of 385K.

    after he was cut, the Raiders picked him up and he couldn't make the team there and was cut a couple of months later.

    Kluwe's gay activism had about as much to do with his release as Tebow's christianity had to do with his.
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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes....how crazy it is to actually look at stats, look at history, and look at contractual situations of the business rather than just looking at a single article written by the person in question and forming the opinion that it's "too bad that this would happen for him speaking his mind".

    As to the hypocrite point, clearly you attempting to utilize the "Glenn Beck" defense of "I'm just asking questions" while SPECIFICALLY stating your first question in such a way as to clearly suggest that the Phil Robertson situation as comparable. Wonderful Glenn Becking of your point, beautifully done.

    Kluwe actively attempted to get media attention. That attempt caused MORE media attention, which led to issues for the team (as indicated in his own column when talking about how the team was being flooded with calls). While spending his time attempting to engage in activism he was also putting up an average at best year while making one of the highest specialists saleries in the entire league. He actively acknowledges seeing the same trend happen to another specialist kicker on his team a year before who wasn't making a big political stand in the media. Yet despite that he STILL tries to insinuate that his VIEW itself was a significant portion of his release. I don't buy it, and I don't think any of the supporting facts support it.

    The situation is barely comparable to the Robertson issue UNLESS you singularly buy the notion that Kluwe was fired for WHAT he said; which, given the evidence, is ridiculous. However, you CHOSE to compare it to such a thing....I'm sorry you dislike someone pointing out that such a comparison is idiotic, but that's what happens when you make idiotic comparisons. I'm also sorry you seem to dislike that someone takes time to actually research facts but that's something you'll just have to deal with.
    Are you in some sort of "how many paragraphs of crap can you type" competition?

    Anything about how I "completely buy" what he said is wrong if you read any of what I said. If you read what you wanted me to say, which is clearly what you did, that problem is yours and yours alone.


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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Are you in some sort of "how many paragraphs of crap can you type" competition?

    Anything about how I "completely buy" what he said is wrong if you read any of what I said. If you read what you wanted me to say, which is clearly what you did, that problem is yours and yours alone.
    The only way this comparison you've tried to make between this and the Robertson thing makes sense is if you accept Kluwe's account as the complete, unbiased truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Seriously? A bunch of grown musclebound men in tight pants all bending over in front of the ball handler and you think they are homophobic?
    That only explains the appeal to watch.

    Try getting them to wear a rainbow patch similar to what they do for breast cancer, or even not threaten gay teammates with getting cut, and you'll see what i mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    That only explains the appeal to watch.

    Try getting them to wear a rainbow patch similar to what they do for breast cancer, or even not threaten gay teammates with getting cut, and you'll see what i mean.

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    just like all the other whiners, Wade Davis was cut because he just wasn't good enough. but they can't accept that, so they have to find some other excuse.
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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just like all the other whiners, Wade Davis was cut because he just wasn't good enough. but they can't accept that, so they have to find some other excuse.
    In an interview, Davis said he was warned by others on the team to not risk missing the roster cut by coming out. He made that team but because he was forced into silence. He never claimed to be actually cut because of this, but it certainly was a threat.

    Do i even need to mention what culliver did near last year's super bowl? "They need to get up out of here." I could go into many more, back to reggie white's comment when his former teammate (who had to remain silent thru his longtime partner's death and funeral) came out, that if the team had known of his sexuality, he would not have survived practice.

    But i doubt you have a problem with any of this. Don't pretend to care and waste my time.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The same cannot be said for old Chris Warcraft. There is nothing but speculation on his part to suggest that it was his statements and actions OFF the field that got him released. Quite to the contrary, there’s compelling evidence to suggest that there were legitimate and obvious FOOTBALL reasons to cut him.
    Well but if the minnesota coaches really said those things, i'm glad he brought it to light. Problem is no one has stepped forward to confirm it, but then why would they? They'd be blacklisted as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Football teams don’t like distractions. Case in point…you have a 2 time NCAA championship winning, Heisman trophy winning, QB with a playoff victory in his pocket over Ben Roethlisberger and the respected Pittsburgh Steelers, whose only 26 and who can’t even get onto a team as the 3rd string QB. Why can Tim Tebow not get a job? Because of the distraction his presence causes. Note, unlike Kluwe, this wouldn’t even necessarily be due to things he’s actively DOING or SAYING currently…but simply because the media and his fans are so worked up over him that they cause the distraction.
    So then why hire michael vick the dog killer? Why put up with culliver's "Gays gotta get up out of here" on super bowl week? Distractions come with the territory, they're used to it. That's a piss poor excuse to cut someone. Tebow was a ****ty QB, you're making the same false accusation as Kluwe. If anything, Tebow's zealotry drew in fans. My take? It's preposterous that a punter's comments would pull in or scare off fans or amount to a real distraction, so that's not what it's about. I could definitely see 2 bigots with a lot of influence cutting a punter at the end of his career though, simply because they *personally* don't like what he's saying. Did that happen? I don't know, reserving judgment till more info.

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    he's ridiculous wrong here
    He may or may not be, but if what he heard from the coaches is accurate, i understand his outrage, even if that's not why he was cut. So he should phrased it differently, like: "Minnesota coaches are bigots who want to nuke gays" etc. By saying he was cut for this reason, only scares other players from speaking up.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

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    That's why I call bunk. If we were talking about a franchise QB or 2,000 yard rusher taking this stance, it'd hold merit. The vomit of some random mediocre special teams guy won't make any radar screens.

    That's why Jason Collins coming out meant nothing. He's a scrub. He can't find work now, and that has absolutely nothing to do with being gay. He was a sub-par center. When Carmelo Anthony comes out and admits to loving cock, then we'll have a shake-up.
    What about Kerry Rhodes? I think he was clearly denied contract for this reason and that's just wrong.

    I agree that if Rodgers had confirmed the rumors, he wouldn't be cut. Not a chance. But if it takes a super bowl winning QB or bench warming center at end of his career for anyone to speak up, gonna be waiting quite a while to have any shake up.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    From what I read on pro football talk they found another guy that could do his job for half the money. Now he has all the free time in the world to grease up and bend over.

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