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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot

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    Well what's strange about it is they kept him on for so long despite speaking his mind. It's not going to help end the indisputably homophobic climate in the NFL if the few supporters are falsely claiming discrimination (or in Ayanbadejo's case, claiming then retracting). However...there is one player who is likely gay and was denied a contract for fear of the attention it would bring:

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    Talent like that isn't kept off rosters unless there really is discrimination going on.
    I thought about this story, but I couldn't remember Kerry Rhodes' name. Another player who's not a superstar, but definitely a decent player that you'd think someone could use at least as a backup. At Rhodes' position (Defensive Back), so many teams could use a little help.


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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    His firing seemed justified to me. Like it or not him being outspoken could affect the financial well being of the franchise.

    Tim tebow would be fired for the same exact reason, but I think his views probably add fans so there is no reason to.

    Such is the plight of being in the public eye. Increased scrutiny.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    His firing seemed justified to me. Like it or not him being outspoken could affect the financial well being of the franchise.

    Tim tebow would be fired for the same exact reason, but I think his views probably add fans so there is no reason to.

    Such is the plight of being in the public eye. Increased scrutiny.
    If there was one player that was ever going to make me a Vikings fan, it was Chris Kluwe. That's after living in Minnesota for 14 1/2 years.


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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If there was one player that was ever going to make me a Vikings fan, it was Chris Kluwe. That's after living in Minnesota for 14 1/2 years.
    Ive never heard of a punter really influencing a fan base one way or the other. I doubt his comments really mattered to anyone. Most punter careers are pretty short. Its a very expendable position same as anyone else on special teams. The fact is the guy who replaced him was just as effective, actually very slightly better, than Kluwe and for less money and less disruption. Jeff Locke (his replacement) was paid $400,000. Kluwe was 1.6 mil.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If there was one player that was ever going to make me a Vikings fan, it was Chris Kluwe. That's after living in Minnesota for 14 1/2 years.
    Ive never heard of a punter really influencing a fan base one way or the other. I doubt his comments really mattered to anyone. Most punter careers are pretty short. Its a very expendable position same as anyone else on special teams. The fact is the guy who replaced him was just as effective, actually very slightly better, than Kluwe and for less money and less disruption. Jeff Locke (his replacement) was paid $400,000. Kluwe was 1.6 mil and at his peak 5 mil.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot

    Chris Kluwe writes about his advocacy for SSM, how he believes it led to him losing his job as Vikings Punter, and how it may keep him from ever playing in the NFL again.

    Question:

    Do you feel the same way about Chris Kluwe as about Phil Robertson? If not, why not? Is Chris Kluwe an "American Hero" as Phil Robertson has been referred to?

    My opinion - The Vikings had every right to release him for whatever reason. It is too bad that this would happen for him speaking his mind, especially after the team owner told him to "keep it up."
    Oh boy, sports and the NFL combine. My opinion? You're foolishly just assuming Kluwe's side of the story is absolutely true.

    It's unquestionable that Phil Robertson was suspended due to his statements in the interview. A&E pretty much admitted that it was due to that backlash, and there was little other reason to believe it to be the case.

    The same cannot be said for old Chris Warcraft. There is nothing but speculation on his part to suggest that it was his statements and actions OFF the field that got him released. Quite to the contrary, there’s compelling evidence to suggest that there were legitimate and obvious FOOTBALL reasons to cut him.

    Kluwe had an inconsistent 2012, having one two game stretch where 8 of his 13 punts were under 40 yards including one 20 yarder (Source). Kluwe was 24th in Punting Average, 18th in Net Average, and 31st in the league for punts inside the 20 yard line ((Source). Those aren’t good numbers for a punter.

    Then you add his contract situation on top of his inconsistent and middling play. 2013 would’ve been the final year of a 6 year contract and would’ve cost them $1.45 million against their cap (Source). By cutting Kluwe and going with a young punter, they saved $1 million on their cap number AND have their punter locked up for the next 3 years at cap numbers lower than the veteran minimum they would, at best, have to pay Kluwe (Source).

    Finally, moving away from the cold hard facts of his stats and his contract, let’s peak at two more subjective pieces of supporting fact. The Vikings did the same thing to their field goal kicker, who isn’t an outspoken activist, the year before. Veteran Ryan Longwell had a middle of the pack year in 2011, similar to what Kluwe had in 2012. He also was coming up towards the end of his contract. The Vikings decided to go younger, releasing Longwell and going with a young rookie kicker. Sound familiar? It should, it’s the same general script that happened with Kluwe. Additionally, after getting released by the Vikings Kluwe joined on with the Raiders at a lower salary. Did he make that team? No, he got beat out by a young punter.

    UNLIKE Phil Robertson, there is clear and substantial evidence to show that Kluwe had his job terminated NOT because of his statements and speech, but rather because of his performance on the job. So the sad attempt to actually connect the two of them doesn’t just look desperate, it looks foolish.

    Now, IF the Vikings released him because of his views, which I don’t believe…then that’s their prerogative just as I felt it was A&E’s prerogative. I’d think it’d be dumb to do JUST for that, as I did with A&E. However, I don’t believe that to be the case. What I think is more likely is that the fact he was causing a distraction that was the issue.

    Football teams don’t like distractions. Case in point…you have a 2 time NCAA championship winning, Heisman trophy winning, QB with a playoff victory in his pocket over Ben Roethlisberger and the respected Pittsburgh Steelers, whose only 26 and who can’t even get onto a team as the 3rd string QB. Why can Tim Tebow not get a job? Because of the distraction his presence causes. Note, unlike Kluwe, this wouldn’t even necessarily be due to things he’s actively DOING or SAYING currently…but simply because the media and his fans are so worked up over him that they cause the distraction.

    Distractions are disliked in the NFL. If Kluwe was making noise and gaining national attention by being massively Pro-Gun, or by saying the POTUS is a muslim, or something like that then I think the Vikings, IF the distraction played into it, would’ve been just as likely to get rid of himas they would’ve because of his gay views. Because it’s not about his views, it’s about the distraction.

    However, I think first and foremost…as illustrated by the facts I showed above…I believe this was a football decision. Was it a football decision made easier because it also got rid of a distraction? Quite likely. But there’s plenty of facts to support that Kluwe was released because of FOOTBALL issues. There’s next to no facts, other than Kluwe’s opinions and statements, to indicate he was fired for his beliefs.

    I like Kluwe, at times I find him entertaining, hell I had friends who ran Raids with him years ago.....but he's ridiculously wrong here.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ive never heard of a punter really influencing a fan base one way or the other. I doubt his comments really mattered to anyone. Most punter careers are pretty short. Its a very expendable position same as anyone else on special teams. The fact is the guy who replaced him was just as effective, actually very slightly better, than Kluwe and for less money and less disruption. Jeff Locke (his replacement) was paid $400,000. Kluwe was 1.6 mil.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I liked him because he is articulate, has a wicked sense of humor, and is a musician on the side.
    That really means you are a fan of Chris Kluwe. Not really Chris Kluwe, P or the Minnesota Vikings.
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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    His firing seemed justified to me. Like it or not him being outspoken could affect the financial well being of the franchise.

    Tim tebow would be fired for the same exact reason, but I think his views probably add fans so there is no reason to.

    Such is the plight of being in the public eye. Increased scrutiny.
    That's why I call bunk. If we were talking about a franchise QB or 2,000 yard rusher taking this stance, it'd hold merit. The vomit of some random mediocre special teams guy won't make any radar screens.

    That's why Jason Collins coming out meant nothing. He's a scrub. He can't find work now, and that has absolutely nothing to do with being gay. He was a sub-par center. When Carmelo Anthony comes out and admits to loving cock, then we'll have a shake-up.

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    Re: I Was An NFL Player Until I Was Fired By Two Cowards And A Bigot[W:40]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's why I call bunk. If we were talking about a franchise QB or 2,000 yard rusher taking this stance, it'd hold merit. The vomit of some random mediocre special teams guy won't make any radar screens.

    That's why Jason Collins coming out meant nothing. He's a scrub. He can't find work now, and that has absolutely nothing to do with being gay. He was a sub-par center. When Carmelo Anthony comes out and admits to loving cock, then we'll have a shake-up.
    You mean loving tight ends?

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