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TheNextEra · Jan 2, 2014

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Born Free said:
Your just full of your personal attacks.

However it is your beloved Obama who is the liar.

As for Obama's trillion dollar stimulus, it did not add to the deficit and the national debt?

You again make the FALSE claim that I am an Obama supporter or that I agree with his polices. NO, I don't. However, the comment was that all this would have stopped if Romney was elected. Sorry, but that isn't the case.

Your lies aren't helping you AGAIN.

Born Free · Jan 2, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
You again make the FALSE claim that I am an Obama supporter or that I agree with his polices. NO, I don't. However, the comment was that all this would have stopped if Romney was elected. Sorry, but that isn't the case.

Your lies aren't helping you AGAIN.

You are an Obama supporter and will not claim he is a liar. He did get the liar of the year award.

As for Liar Obama, you're right no one could have stopped the carnage and his increase in the national debt during his first term.

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
I only mentioned Bush because the same programs YOU hate were used UNDER Bush, learn to actually read a thread instead of posting what you WANT it to be.

Your Obama Obama Obama, is at fault for EVERYTHING is a perfect example of Obama Deranged Syndrome.

His policies have hurt every working class American which I happen to be a part of. His policies have destroyed my sector forcing hundreds of layoffs the last three years. He is a POS and I will call him out for it every chance I get until he is gone.

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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Kobie said:
Correlation =/= causation

deflection/ denial

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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Chaddelamancha said:
How about you show me where in the last 13 years that the number of people getting disabilities has went down. Maybe I am missing something.

Disabled-worker statistics

yeah lets just give Obama a pass on higher debt, higher unemployment welfare, and 1.6 million increase in disability since taking office. I mean hell if you are one of the freeloading bitches, why would you or anyone else care?:roll:

Chaddelamancha · Jan 3, 2014

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I'm not giving him a pass on anything, I am just not heaping all the blame on him nor his administration. I don't have any hate clouding my judgement.

Any don't take my position as one from a freeloader; it comes from thought free of hate.

Rocketman said:
yeah lets just give Obama a pass on higher debt, higher unemployment welfare, and 1.6 million increase in disability since taking office. I mean hell if you are one of the freeloading bitches, why would you or anyone else care?:roll:

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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Chaddelamancha said:
I'm not giving him a pass on anything, I am just not heaping all the blame on him nor his administration. I don't have any hate clouding my judgement.

Any don't take my position as one from a freeloader; it comes from thought free of hate.

I have not displayed hate, that is a false assumption on your part, I just call out bad policies when I see them.

For instance, fibromyalgia is not a justifiable reason to be on disability. It is pure free loading.

Chaddelamancha · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
I have not displayed hate, that is a false assumption on your part, I just call out bad policies when I see them.

For instance, fibromyalgia is not a justifiable reason to be on disability. It is pure free loading.

Sure.

It's not like it is a walk in the park to get approved for SSI because of fibromyalgia. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/07/25/2012-17936/social-security-ruling-ssr-12-2p-titles-ii-and-xvi-evaluation-of-fibromyalgia#p-11

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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Chaddelamancha said:
Sure.

It's not like it is a walk in the park to get approved for SSI because of fibromyalgia. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/07/25/2012-17936/social-security-ruling-ssr-12-2p-titles-ii-and-xvi-evaluation-of-fibromyalgia#p-11

it must be pretty damn easy, I know 10+ people diagnosed with it and I live in a very small town

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Born Free said:
You are an Obama supporter and will not claim he is a liar. He did get the liar of the year award.

As for Liar Obama, you're right no one could have stopped the carnage and his increase in the national debt during his first term.

This is the second time you have lied about me in this thread. The first time I dug up posts and proved your lying. Show me WITH posts where I have supported Obama liar. You have ZERO credibility now and all can see it. Is lying all you have left?

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
His policies have hurt every working class American which I happen to be a part of. His policies have destroyed my sector forcing hundreds of layoffs the last three years. He is a POS and I will call him out for it every chance I get until he is gone.

Awwww need a tissue? Sorry, but just because Obama's blunders have hurt people doesn't give you a free pass to blame him for EVERYTHING under the sun. The simple fact is Obama has had nothing to do with disabilities rising, they were doing that BEFORE Obama.

If you want to think the disability program needs reform, I'm with you. IF you want to blame Obama for it because you are butthurt about your job, go pound sand.

Chaddelamancha · Jan 3, 2014

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Then your town doctor has to be in on it. Big conspiracy going on in your town or do you live in a town with a bunch of malingerers?

Rocketman said:
it must be pretty damn easy, I know 10+ people diagnosed with it and I live in a very small town

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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Chaddelamancha said:
Then your town doctor has to be in on it. Big conspiracy going on in your town or do you live in a town with a bunch of malingerers?

I live in a big union town and many of them are whiners about work, so they figured away around the system. Draw disability and still work part time jobs earning so much over that pay. It is the fleecing of America

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
Awwww need a tissue? Sorry, but just because Obama's blunders have hurt people doesn't give you a free pass to blame him for EVERYTHING under the sun. The simple fact is Obama has had nothing to do with disabilities rising, they were doing that BEFORE Obama.

If you want to think the disability program needs reform, I'm with you. IF you want to blame Obama for it because you are butthurt about your job, go pound sand.

To say Obama's policies and stands on unemployment have not changed the landscape of working America is asinine and ridiculous. Someone needs to get out of their cubicle.

Born Free · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
This is the second time you have lied about me in this thread. The first time I dug up posts and proved your lying. Show me WITH posts where I have supported Obama liar. You have ZERO credibility now and all can see it. Is lying all you have left?

I say again your liar Obama's man. I can't stand the SOB myself, but his lies you support. Obama has done nothing to turn the tide of the black community unemployment, he has done nothing to decrease food stamp collectors, nothing on welfare, nothing on the increase on disabilities. Nothing to increase wages for middle America, the list goes on and on. Liar Obama is the worst president in modern history. Read my signatures.

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
To say Obama's policies and stands on unemployment have not changed the landscape of working America is asinine and ridiculous. Someone needs to get out of their cubicle.

I didn't say they had no effects on UNEMPLOYMENT, we were talking disability program genius. You blamed Obama for the rise of disability when disability has been going up even under Bush.

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
I didn't say they had no effects on UNEMPLOYMENT, we were talking disability program genius. You blamed Obama for the rise of disability when disability has been going up even under Bush.

not at the levels we are seeing now and yes both are bad so we just sit back a let it go? why be that ridiculous, are you afraid?

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Born Free said:
I say again your liar Obama's man. I can't stand the SOB myself, but his lies you support. Obama has done nothing to turn the tide of the black community unemployment, he has done nothing to decrease food stamp collectors, nothing on welfare, nothing on the increase on disabilities. Nothing to increase wages for middle America, the list goes on and on. Liar Obama is the worst president in modern history. Read my signatures.

Show me with QUOTES where I supported Obama. Again you lie. Is lying all you have?

Your credibility is negative and lying is all you ever do. Waiting for your quotes to back up your claims, or will you just excuse it as another "bad assumption" like you did last time when you got proven you were lying? The more you continue you this, the less your credibility will be. In fact, I'll give you one last chance to apologize for THIS lie before I show exactly how much of a liar you are on this.

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
not at the levels we are seeing now and yes both are bad so we just sit back a let it go? why be that ridiculous, are you afraid?

I'm sorry exactly what are you proposing to lower the disability rate then? You say "sit back and let it go" exactly what is YOUR plan? Let's hear it then, how YOU will SOLVE the disability problem.

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
I'm sorry exactly what are you proposing to lower the disability rate then? You say "sit back and let it go" exactly what is YOUR plan? Let's hear it then, how YOU will SOLVE the disability problem.

By using independent auditors (not federal employees) to watch and inspect suspected fraud cases. Nothing is more painful to a regular taxpayer than to know someone that has pain in morning but has enough energy to be on the lake fishing by 9am. I have made some enemies the last few years by calling some out and reporting others, I find it sickening that people only want to see what they can get away with instead of contributing to society.

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
By using independent auditors (not federal employees) to watch and inspect suspected fraud cases. Nothing is more painful to a regular taxpayer than to know someone that has pain in morning but has enough energy to be on the lake fishing by 9am. I have made some enemies the last few years by calling some out and reporting others, I find it sickening that people only want to see what they can get away with instead of contributing to society.

Right because independent auditors (getting paid by the federal government) wouldn't EVER be prone to fraud, waste and abuse. Got it. Wow, you really need to wake up.

I'm all for reform and maybe your way WOULD work I don't know, but I just don't see it happening. I see a PRIVATE corporation MORE prone to fraud than the government in this case IMO.

Rocketman · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
Right because independent auditors (getting paid by the federal government) wouldn't EVER be prone to fraud, waste and abuse. Got it. Wow, you really need to wake up.

I'm all for reform and maybe your way WOULD work I don't know, but I just don't see it happening. I see a PRIVATE corporation MORE prone to fraud than the government in this case IMO.

Really, I mean really? there is so much waste in government, I would much rather independent contractors were the auditors. Most small businesses operate off a simple P&L and do not have tax payer money to make ends meet.

TheNextEra · Jan 3, 2014

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Rocketman said:
Really, I mean really? there is so much waste in government, I would much rather independent contractors were the auditors. Most small businesses operate off a simple P&L and do not have tax payer money to make ends meet.

You just said you wanted to have an independent auditor. That would mean they would get paid for by the federal government. Do you think they would do it out of the kindness of their hearts?

Born Free · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
Show me with QUOTES where I supported Obama. Again you lie. Is lying all you have?

Your credibility is negative and lying is all you ever do. Waiting for your quotes to back up your claims, or will you just excuse it as another "bad assumption" like you did last time when you got proven you were lying? The more you continue you this, the less your credibility will be. In fact, I'll give you one last chance to apologize for THIS lie before I show exactly how much of a liar you are on this.

You support Liar Obama, he is your man. Lies and all. He is a liar is he not?

In bold, have at it. I look forward to you showing me where you said Obama is a liar?

Born Free · Jan 3, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
Right because independent auditors (getting paid by the federal government) wouldn't EVER be prone to fraud, waste and abuse. Got it. Wow, you really need to wake up.

I'm all for reform and maybe your way WOULD work I don't know, but I just don't see it happening. I see a PRIVATE corporation MORE prone to fraud than the government in this case IMO.

Of course, big daddy government and the bigger the government the better they are at doing everything. Like the IRS targeting conservative groups. Talk about abuse.