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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Heres the thing. We can all agree that there is a NEED for disability programs.
    I'm not sure of that, Vance. Seems to me some what it done away with.

    What I dont understand is why people like yourself are so desperate to defend all at all costs instead of being downright pissed off that people ARE committing fraud and taking resources from those truly in need. I dont get why you dont join the voices in DEMANDING better investigations and more careful research and tracking. It just makes no sense.
    Desperate to defend is a pretty strong statement and pretty much off the mark. Just like anyone else, I deplore fraud and people who take advantage. And like any budget, there will be waste. In the case of those collecting disability payments (3% of the population) there are some that do indeed cheat the system. And, like I wrote before... so what? Sure, it sucks. But the % is small and insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things, and that investing it would cost the taxpayers even more. So that is basically my point.

    Now, if one is concerned by government waste and spending, then one can make great strides by going after the corruption and waste at DoD. Read the Reuters article I linked earlier. We're talking billions upon billions flushed down the drain. Amazing that those who regularly show concern about government waste and spending have never mentioned this. Why is that?
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    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    10 million people taking free checks from Uncle Sam is a significant portion, regardless of what % of the population it is. Also the disability rolls have been increasing as a % of the population for some time now, suggesting that more then just population growth is at play here.

    http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpre...ty-slide-1.jpg
    Something like 70% of them are disabled by headaches or back pain. I hate to say fraud, but, yeah, fraud.

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats ONE small sampling of a study. There is more. But would it matter? If the finger of God came down from on high and pointed to every single fraud case would you still blindly defend it? What are you actually invested in?

    Heres the ironic part...I dont know what you do for a living but I actually WORK with this population on a pretty regular basis. I work with Soldiers and spouses getting people entered into special needs programs and arrange for disability with the government. I work with the direct population coordinating follow on care or trying find secure housing for them during crisis calls. I work with the county relief organizations. I would guess I am at LEAST as invested in the success of disability programs as you are...maybe more so. But all you can see is "dont touch mah baby!!! Dont threaten disability!!!" not "Hey...asshole...stop abusing the system...there are people that NEED that program".
    So you allege that the people you mostly deal with (for work) want to commit fraud? Do commit fraud?
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Something like 70% of them are disabled by headaches or back pain. I hate to say fraud, but, yeah, fraud.
    Wow, well you got me convinced, Dr. LowDown!
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So you allege that the people you mostly deal with (for work) want to commit fraud? Do commit fraud?
    Good lord. Can you BE more pathetic (dont answer that)? I hate to sound trite...but really...is THAT the best you can do? I wouldnt assist someone on a false claim for disability. What we KNOW and is proven daily by both state investigations and investigations done by the Soc Sec Admin is that fraud is very real, it is a very real and significant problem, and addressing it will not only discourage people from attempting to commit fraud but will also free up needed resources. This is like everything else...if there was unified front AGAINST fraud we would probably have to commit less support dollars towards the investigation or and punishment of fraud.

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    fraud is very real, it is a very real and significant problem
    I keep reading this, yet no one has managed to prove anything close.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm not sure of that, Vance. Seems to me some what it done away with.



    Desperate to defend is a pretty strong statement and pretty much off the mark. Just like anyone else, I deplore fraud and people who take advantage. And like any budget, there will be waste. In the case of those collecting disability payments (3% of the population) there are some that do indeed cheat the system. And, like I wrote before... so what? Sure, it sucks. But the % is small and insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things, and that investing it would cost the taxpayers even more. So that is basically my point.

    Now, if one is concerned by government waste and spending, then one can make great strides by going after the corruption and waste at DoD. Read the Reuters article I linked earlier. We're talking billions upon billions flushed down the drain. Amazing that those who regularly show concern about government waste and spending have never mentioned this. Why is that?
    And as a nation we should be concerned with fraud in the DOD as well. That does not in any way shape or form mitigate or cancel out the very real instances of fraud occurring in the assistance/disability realm. In that one case cited in Ky, do you have any idea what can be done with 6-7 million dollars? At a HIGH end, thats 10 fully renovated 20 bed womens shelters. 4 with construction from ground up. At 900k for a 50 bed facility, thats 400 beds with support annually. About 150 special needs beds. And thats ONE case in a fairly rural area. The Long Island RR scandal involved 833 people. Still unraveling the amounts.

    You want to bang that drum for change in the DOD...hell yes...right there with you. That doesnt excuse this. You want to PROTECT those programs you have to be more vigilant with them.

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I keep reading this, yet no one has managed to prove anything close.
    In order for you to have something proven you must first be willing to open your eyes. One case in small town Kentucky. Long Island Rail Road. Widespread fraud found in San Diego. Billions in social security fraud...hell gangs and drug cartels have even gotten into the mix in Florida...its easy money. The 60 minutes investigation. Examples cited ON the SSA websites. Numerous cases of Lawfirms collecting millions getting people that have no business being on disability into the system (so much so that the SSA is now having to change its business practices)...

    There are countless examples...and all you have to do is care enough to see them. Or...not...

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Wow, just wow, I knew the radical left doesn't care about anyone but themselves but just wow. Sickening.
    ...because disability benefits don't count?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Mon

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats ONE small sampling of a study. There is more. But would it matter? If the finger of God came down from on high and pointed to every single fraud case would you still blindly defend it? What are you actually invested in?

    Heres the ironic part...I dont know what you do for a living but I actually WORK with this population on a pretty regular basis. I work with Soldiers and spouses getting people entered into special needs programs and arrange for disability with the government. I work with the direct population coordinating follow on care or trying find secure housing for them during crisis calls. I work with the county relief organizations. I would guess I am at LEAST as invested in the success of disability programs as you are...maybe more so. But all you can see is "dont touch mah baby!!! Dont threaten disability!!!" not "Hey...asshole...stop abusing the system...there are people that NEED that program".
    Well then when you come across fraud, I suggest you report it. I sure would. Literally nobody is arguing "don't punish fraud."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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