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China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

You mean to say that our defense contractors used a Russian study to influence a congressional Pentagon budget increase? Ok, I'll go along!
First, I didn't say just our defense contractors. You do not believe that all contractors do not work together to some extent to make sure they sell their services?
 
China could soon defeat the United States and its allies in a naval conflict in the East Pacific, says Vassily Kashin, a senior research fellow at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

In a commentary published on Dec. 27 on the website of the Voice of Russia, the Russian government's international radio broadcasting service, Kashin says it is "highly probable" that by 2020 China could defeat the US in a local conflict in the east part of the Pacific or slow down the transportation of US forces to the region after it completes its current cycle of reforming and rearming the People's Liberation Army.

"China could be able of reaching its political goals even before the US localizes all the necessary forces for a full-scale counterattack," Kashin said.

Well, we could only hope that such events need not ever be stress tested.

50 years ago, when I was a student of the Soviet school, teachers tells us every day, that America is about to collapse. 20 years as there is no Soviet Union, but aspiring communists continue to bark.
 
First, I didn't say just our defense contractors. You do not believe that all contractors do not work together to some extent to make sure they sell their services?

You mean a conspiracy amongst global defense contractors to deceive congress to increase the Pentagons budget?
 
It depends on who "we" is? Those guys in post 202.

War with china won't happen for a few reasons, number 1 is of course nuclear weapons. Our systems work. Theirs do too. We might hit a Cold War, but unless both countries have defense systems capable of stopping ICBMs (which I'm sure we have hacking technology...but not much in terms of shooting them down)...the odds of war are just too drastically low to even consider possible.

Also consider that Our navy consists of the greatest nuclear submarines in the world. Bar none. I doubt china has the ability to handle such submarines.

China's greatest threat is itself and its people. Eventually their population or their government will not be able to be controlled internally and they will face civil war.
 
War with china won't happen for a few reasons, number 1 is of course nuclear weapons. Our systems work. Theirs do too. We might hit a Cold War, but unless both countries have defense systems capable of stopping ICBMs (which I'm sure we have hacking technology...but not much in terms of shooting them down)...the odds of war are just too drastically low to even consider possible.

Also consider that Our navy consists of the greatest nuclear submarines in the world. Bar none. I doubt china has the ability to handle such submarines.

China's greatest threat is itself and its people. Eventually their population or their government will not be able to be controlled internally and they will face civil war.

Civil war for China, WOW! That's quite a prediction. Ok, but I'll stay with the Pentagon on this, and THEY have reported their "serious concerns" to Congress about the growing threat of China's military to project itself beyond the China sea. So if you disbelieve the threat, you need to argue with the Pentagon.
 
50 years ago, when I was a student of the Soviet school, teachers tells us every day, that America is about to collapse. 20 years as there is no Soviet Union, but aspiring communists continue to bark.

Yes, now phone that in to the Pentagon.
 
Doesn't China's current naval capacity amount to little more than a coastal defence fleet? I never understood the apparent concern over China's emergent economy. Having suddenly discovered that ploughing fields with oxen may not be the most productive format, everyone should tremble? You don't get away with economic development while allowing social mobility to languish. For the most part, China's people still chafe under Third World conditions. That's a house of cards. They must be around three hundred years behind the West.

Any emergent economy will experience its most rapid rate of growth from its inception. We can't predict just where China's top end will level off. If I have to guess, the point at which its economic ascent will find itself curtailed by its social dilemma, could be anywhere from 20-50 years, failing some unexpected social and/or economic crisis that precipitates a revolution. It won't continue to remain unaddressed, that I do know.

That China should attain anything even approaching America's force projection over so abrupt a period as seven years, is laughable. Even given an economy oriented exclusively for war, it would do so at the expense of the same Western credits that has served as its cement. God knows its own people aren't in a position to create demand.
 
Doesn't China's current naval capacity amount to little more than a coastal defence fleet? I never understood the apparent concern over China's emergent economy. Having suddenly discovered that ploughing fields with oxen may not be the most productive format, everyone should tremble? You don't get away with economic development while allowing social mobility to languish. For the most part, China's people still chafe under Third World conditions. That's a house of cards. They must be around three hundred years behind the West.

Any emergent economy will experience its most rapid rate of growth from its inception. We can't predict just where China's top end will level off. If I have to guess, the point at which its economic ascent will find itself curtailed by its social dilemma, could be anywhere from 20-50 years,failing an unexpected revolution. It won't continue to remain unaddressed, that I do know.

That China should attain anything even approaching America's force projection over so abrupt a period as seven years, is laughable. Even given an economy oriented exclusively for war, it would do so at the expense of the same Western credits that has served as its cement. God knows its own people aren't in a position to create demand.

4 words: Pentagons report to Congress!!!!
 
Oh crap! I had no idea the Pentagon was irrelevant!!!
In its 'comprehensive' appraisal of historical and social components? Of course it is. These 'concerns' are military in nature.

An army marches on its stomach. Overlook that at your peril.
 
In its 'comprehensive' appraisal of historical and social components? Of course it is. These 'concerns' are military in nature.

An army marches on its stomach. Overlook that at your peril.

Well of course these concerns are military in nature. What other concerns do you think the Pentagon reports to congress about?
 
Well of course these concerns are military in nature. What other concerns do you think the Pentagon reports to congress about?
None whatsoever, which is why they fall so short of the mark.

There's this thing. It's called scaremongering. Our respective administrations in particular are adept at exploiting the collective stupidity of their people. Indeed, they count on it. How often does intel of any immediately pressing worth trickle down into the public arena for dissection? Never, right? You might begin with that, and ask yourself just what reactions are likely to be provoked.

Gotta have an enemy, brah. It can't be Russia anymore, cos everyone knows they're ****ed.
 
None whatsoever, which is why they fall so short of the mark.

There's this thing. It's called scaremongering. Our respective administrations in particular are adept at exploiting the collective stupidity of their people. Indeed, they count on it. How often does intel of any immediately pressing worth trickle down into the public arena for dissection? Never, right? You might begin with that, and ask yourself just what reactions are likely to be provoked.

Gotta have an enemy, brah. It can't be Russia anymore, cos everyone knows they're ****ed.

Well now you open up a whole different story. I'm well aware of propaganda, fear mongering, and disinformation from our government. Projected for domestic consumption to garner support for the next war for purposes such as feeding the very hungry MIC. So your not saying that the Pentagon is irrelevant, but like American (the poster) you believe the Pentagon is justifying a budget increase. And that the Chinese military is no threat whatsoever?
 
China could soon defeat the United States and its allies in a naval conflict in the East Pacific, says Vassily Kashin, a senior research fellow at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

In a commentary published on Dec. 27 on the website of the Voice of Russia, the Russian government's international radio broadcasting service, Kashin says it is "highly probable" that by 2020 China could defeat the US in a local conflict in the east part of the Pacific or slow down the transportation of US forces to the region after it completes its current cycle of reforming and rearming the People's Liberation Army.

"China could be able of reaching its political goals even before the US localizes all the necessary forces for a full-scale counterattack," Kashin said.

China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst


Well, we could only hope that such events need not ever be stress tested.

fingers crossed that
1. he is wrong
2.and this is never tested.
 
Well now you open up a whole different story. I'm well aware of propaganda, fear mongering, and disinformation from our government. Projected for domestic consumption to garner support for the next war for purposes such as feeding the very hungry MIC. So your not saying that the Pentagon is irrelevant, but like American (the poster) you believe the Pentagon is justifying a budget increase. And that the Chinese military is no threat whatsoever?
That and the necessity of hoodwinking the electorate. There must be a threat abroad or threats at home are more conspicuous. People are suckers. China's a paper tiger.
 
That and the necessity of hoodwinking the electorate. There must be a threat abroad or threats at home are more conspicuous. People are suckers. China's a paper tiger.

What about the independent groups and individuals expressing the same concerns but haven't this alleged pentagon agenda to which you speak?
 
What about the independent groups and individuals expressing the same concerns but haven't this alleged pentagon agenda to which you speak?
What of them? Any large-scale BS will have its adherents and partners in crime. Don't mistake me. Any criticism to that effect isn't reserved for the US alone.
 
What of them? Any large-scale BS will have its adherents and partners in crime. Don't mistake me. Any criticism to that effect isn't reserved for the US alone.

Private groups, think tanks, analysts and academics that don't have a pentagon budget to defend or its agenda, all of whom have papers on the growing threat of Chinas military?
 
Private groups, think tanks, analysts and academics that don't have a pentagon budget to defend or its agenda, all of whom have papers on the growing threat of Chinas military?
Hysteria, vested interest, politics, ahistoricism and artificial modelling. The realities neatly undermine such errant extrapolation. It's just irresponsible. I'd wager that none of these groups/individuals fully appreciate the impact of social deprivation. Don't trouble yourself to impress me with credentials. Post-nominals rarely, if ever, pass muster.
 
Hysteria, vested interest, politics, ahistoricism and artificial modelling. The realities neatly undermine such errant extrapolation. It's just irresponsible. I'd wager that none of these groups/individuals fully appreciate the impact of social deprivation. Don't trouble yourself to impress me with credentials. Post-nominals rarely, if ever, pass muster.
Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?
 
Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?
Of course. I'd never dispute that.
 
Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?

Yes. And the monitors and analysts have produced papers documenting the alarming rise in China's military power in recent years. This information is available far and wide and isn't born of conspiracy.
 
Has the U.S.A. and China just agreed to be the next major world opponents ? Just to give us something to do ?

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