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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is the USA that is documented to be untrustworthy and aggressive. We have snatched assets in every area of the World. The ME war-making has been about OIL. Syria is about OIL. Iraq is about OIL. Libya is about OIL. The USA is the saber rattler around the World, and we create instability and civil wars to try to subjugate the World with our Banking system and Corporate hierarchy. That's reality.
    That's exactly what I was going to say to that and you got it out there!

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I don't see South Korea getting involved, though if they were that were certainly escalate things severely if North Korea was to kick start that conflict. The Philippines and Vietnam wouldn't start up anything at this point, more than likely wait and see what happens. After all, perhaps if the Americans and the Japanese can keep it together, they won't have to worry about the South China Sea. That and Vietnam would then have to deal with the possibility of and invasion. All of this really depends on how far the varying powers want to escalate things. If anything, the US winning a conflict with China over the East China Sea (and the possible war it could spawn) is by no means a forgone conclusion.
    Don't know if you saw this......On Vietnam and the Phillipines. Plus South Korea has already stated they wont acknowledge China's zone nor report to them.



    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam.....




    The United States will boost maritime security assistance to China's smaller neighbors amid rising tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Monday during a visit to Vietnam, where he also pressed the communist government on human rights and democratic and economic reforms.

    The U.S. will provide an additional $32.5 million to help Southeast Asian nations protect their territorial waters and secure navigational freedom, Kerry said. Vietnam alone will receive up to $18 million, including five fast patrol-boats that will be given to the Vietnamese Coast Guard, he said. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, the State Department said.

    At a news conference Monday with Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh, Kerry said the assistance was not a "quickly conceived reaction to any events in the region" but rather part of a "gradual and deliberate expansion" in such aid. But he made clear that the aid is designed to help nations defend their waters from encroachment.

    "Peace and stability in the South China Sea is a top priority for us and for countries in the region," Kerry said. "We are very concerned by and strongly opposed to coercive and aggressive tactics to advance territorial claims."

    Kerry's visit to Vietnam, to be followed by a stop in the Philippines on Tuesday, comes as tensions over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea have risen dramatically, and many of China's neighbors are seeking assurances from Washington that it will remain a guarantor of maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region.

    Both Vietnam and the Philippines are involved in disputes with China. Monday's announcement was likely to rankle Beijing and calm concerns in Vietnam and other countries that the United States might be acquiescing to China's shows of strength.....snip~

    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh you silly hippy.
    Really, your dismissing that out of hand!

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ah H Buddha .....but then those winds do tend to shift around. Wherein others interest would come into play, knowing they would be next to fall to China"s dominance. Such as Taiwan and Vietnam. Course then South Korea and the Phillipines. Which China would not even be ready for all coming at it while trying to contend with US Naval Forces and any of our alleged other Allies.
    Hey MMC, But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, crazier things have happened. Btw, are you aware of just how pissed off the Chinese and Russians were over Libya? People discount the events around that, but that's mainly because people think they get the "whole scoop", "the truth" from American press always, and that nothing you would hear in international news is trustworthy.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    China and America will not fire shots at each other.
    Yep, that's what the pentagon reports would seem to indicate.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Neither side has anything to gain from it, and both have literally everything to lose.
    All that being true, still doesn't mean one could authoritatively demand that it could never happen, that's just not right.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, that's what the pentagon reports would seem to indicate.
    The Pentagon has plans to fight a war against literally everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All that being true, still doesn't mean one could authoritatively demand that it could never happen, that's just not right.
    I didn't say it can't happen. I said it wont.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Don't know if you saw this......On Vietnam and the Phillipines. Plus South Korea has already stated they wont acknowledge China's zone nor report to them.



    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam.....




    The United States will boost maritime security assistance to China's smaller neighbors amid rising tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Monday during a visit to Vietnam, where he also pressed the communist government on human rights and democratic and economic reforms.

    The U.S. will provide an additional $32.5 million to help Southeast Asian nations protect their territorial waters and secure navigational freedom, Kerry said. Vietnam alone will receive up to $18 million, including five fast patrol-boats that will be given to the Vietnamese Coast Guard, he said. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, the State Department said.

    At a news conference Monday with Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh, Kerry said the assistance was not a "quickly conceived reaction to any events in the region" but rather part of a "gradual and deliberate expansion" in such aid. But he made clear that the aid is designed to help nations defend their waters from encroachment.

    "Peace and stability in the South China Sea is a top priority for us and for countries in the region," Kerry said. "We are very concerned by and strongly opposed to coercive and aggressive tactics to advance territorial claims."

    Kerry's visit to Vietnam, to be followed by a stop in the Philippines on Tuesday, comes as tensions over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea have risen dramatically, and many of China's neighbors are seeking assurances from Washington that it will remain a guarantor of maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region.

    Both Vietnam and the Philippines are involved in disputes with China. Monday's announcement was likely to rankle Beijing and calm concerns in Vietnam and other countries that the United States might be acquiescing to China's shows of strength.....snip~

    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam
    This has everything to do with the presidents speech in Australia two years ago, his symbolic (but not so symbolic) statement that he would station Marines there just to let the countries you mention know that the US was in town just incase China starts any ****. And the US has been spending time with these countries in various ways, one shouldn't presume that south Vietnam for example would be flying China the middle finger in not reporting to them as they have insisted were it not for the US standing right behind them telling them go ahead, we got your back, which in itself is viewed as provocative by China.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This has everything to do with the presidents speech in Australia two years ago, his symbolic (but not so symbolic) statement that he would station Marines there just to let the countries you mention know that the US was in town just incase China starts any ****. And the US has been spending time with these countries in various ways, one shouldn't presume that south Vietnam for example would be flying China the middle finger in not reporting to them as they have insisted were it not for the US standing right behind them telling them go ahead, we got your back, which in itself is viewed as provocative by China.


    Heya Monte.....well not so with Taiwan and Vietnam and the Phillipines


    China and Vietnam fought a bloody border war in 1979, and in 1988 a naval battle close to disputed islands in the seas left 70 Vietnamese sailors dead. Disputes over fishing rights in the region have triggered occasional violent incidents and hiked up diplomatic tensions since then.....snip~


    Asian nations call for freedom of air, seas as U.S.-China maritime near-collision revealed

    Japan and Southeast Asian countries called for freedom of the air and sea on Saturday, as China's military assertiveness raises regional tensions and after U.S. and Chinese warships narrowly avoided collision in the disputed South China Sea.



    China's recent announcement of an air defense zone covering disputed islands in the East China Sea and its territorial claims in the South China Sea have raised concerns that a minor incident in the disputed seas could quickly escalate.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/japan-asean-ca...095029621.html

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The Pentagon has plans to fight a war against literally everyone.

    I didn't say it can't happen. I said it wont.
    Really! Ok, I'll go back to the MASH reruns then.

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