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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I think it's actually extremely fundamental. Their form of government is what makes them aggressive and untrustworthy. You can ascribe a variety of reasons for this that range from game theory analysis of decision making matrices to foreign policy inertia and feedback, and on. Regardless it is no coincidence that established and legitimate democracies do not fight each. If China were a democracy we would still have problems but the threat would be dramatically diminished and our posture would be significantly different.
    It is the USA that is documented to be untrustworthy and aggressive. We have snatched assets in every area of the World. The ME war-making has been about OIL. Syria is about OIL. Iraq is about OIL. Libya is about OIL. The USA is the saber rattler around the World, and we create instability and civil wars to try to subjugate the World with our Banking system and Corporate hierarchy. That's reality.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is the USA that is documented to be untrustworthy and aggressive. We have snatched assets in every area of the World. The ME war-making has been about OIL. Syria is about OIL. Iraq is about OIL. Libya is about OIL. The USA is the saber rattler around the World, and we create instability and civil wars to try to subjugate the World with our Banking system and Corporate hierarchy. That's reality.
    Oh you silly hippy.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It won't be a ground war that we will have to wage with China though. What it will probably become is an attempt to assert it's rights and aggressively defend it's claims in the East and South China Sea. The US and Japan won't tolerate this, and that's when war would break out. Not a world war scale, but a naval/air force action which they have been preparing for the last 20 or so years. At that point, it will probably devolve into a blockade of some sort to try and starve out the country of energy and food, because China doesn't have the force projection capabilities they won't be able to break it. In response, they'll probably send out their diesel sub fleet and start hitting our shipping and oil rigs that we rely on. Then it just be a question of who is willing to suffer the longest, odds are that the US would cave first, as public opinion will probably see it as just another war "over there" and Japan doesn't have the resources to wage that kind of war for a prolonged period of time.
    Ah H Buddha .....but then those winds do tend to shift around. Wherein others interest would come into play, knowing they would be next to fall to China"s dominance. Such as Taiwan and Vietnam. Course then South Korea and the Phillipines. Which China would not even be ready for all coming at it while trying to contend with US Naval Forces and any of our alleged other Allies.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ah H Buddha .....but then those winds do tend to shift around. Wherein others interest would come into play, knowing they would be next to fall to China"s dominance. Such as Taiwan and Vietnam. Course then South Korea and the Phillipines. Which China would not even be ready for all coming at it while trying to contend with US Naval Forces and any of our alleged other Allies.
    I don't see South Korea getting involved, though if they were that were certainly escalate things severely if North Korea was to kick start that conflict. The Philippines and Vietnam wouldn't start up anything at this point, more than likely wait and see what happens. After all, perhaps if the Americans and the Japanese can keep it together, they won't have to worry about the South China Sea. That and Vietnam would then have to deal with the possibility of and invasion. All of this really depends on how far the varying powers want to escalate things. If anything, the US winning a conflict with China over the East China Sea (and the possible war it could spawn) is by no means a forgone conclusion.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is the USA that is documented to be untrustworthy and aggressive. We have snatched assets in every area of the World. The ME war-making has been about OIL. Syria is about OIL. Iraq is about OIL. Libya is about OIL. The USA is the saber rattler around the World, and we create instability and civil wars to try to subjugate the World with our Banking system and Corporate hierarchy. That's reality.
    Naw. Not true.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    They may not want war with the US, they probably don't want war at all, but the potential is there for a conflict, you would agree yes?
    China and America will not fire shots at each other.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    China and America will not fire shots at each other.
    Never ever? Can't happened? Ever huh? You telling me you can't see a circumstance where someone missteps, pushes their boundaries a little too hard?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    They may not want war with the US, they probably don't want war at all,
    but the potential is there for a conflict, you would agree yes?



    Unfortunately there are a number of areas where the USA and the Chinese could end up in shooting wars.

    Hopefully we will avoid that with a little diplomacy.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Never ever? Can't happened? Ever huh? You telling me you can't see a circumstance where someone missteps, pushes their boundaries a little too hard?
    Neither side has anything to gain from it, and both have literally everything to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Before World War 1, there was a great deal of economic integration between the major European powers. It's part of the reason that many on both sides didn't believe such a thing was possible. Didn't really work out for them did it? Again, you think that a war has to start by each side being intelligent and no mistakes being made. All it takes is for China to assert itself in contested areas (we have no such thing btw) to much, or us to push back to hard... either side to underestimate their intentions, and war could erupt at a moment's notice. I also went over these points in a previous post in more detail, so I'll let you reference those instead.
    Exactly, or for that matter, the US could assert itself in contested areas!!

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