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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Private groups, think tanks, analysts and academics that don't have a pentagon budget to defend or its agenda, all of whom have papers on the growing threat of Chinas military?
    Hysteria, vested interest, politics, ahistoricism and artificial modelling. The realities neatly undermine such errant extrapolation. It's just irresponsible. I'd wager that none of these groups/individuals fully appreciate the impact of social deprivation. Don't trouble yourself to impress me with credentials. Post-nominals rarely, if ever, pass muster.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Hysteria, vested interest, politics, ahistoricism and artificial modelling. The realities neatly undermine such errant extrapolation. It's just irresponsible. I'd wager that none of these groups/individuals fully appreciate the impact of social deprivation. Don't trouble yourself to impress me with credentials. Post-nominals rarely, if ever, pass muster.
    Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Singe View Post
    Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?
    Of course. I'd never dispute that.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Singe View Post
    Regardless, monitoring and analysis are always prudent. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, etc... no?
    Yes. And the monitors and analysts have produced papers documenting the alarming rise in China's military power in recent years. This information is available far and wide and isn't born of conspiracy.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Has the U.S.A. and China just agreed to be the next major world opponents ? Just to give us something to do ?


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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbler View Post
    Has the U.S.A. and China just agreed to be the next major world opponents ? Just to give us something to do ?

    Now your being cynical.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Civil war for China, WOW! That's quite a prediction. Ok, but I'll stay with the Pentagon on this, and THEY have reported their "serious concerns" to Congress about the growing threat of China's military to project itself beyond the China sea. So if you disbelieve the threat, you need to argue with the Pentagon.
    A Chinese civil war is not inevitable, but only a fool would think it out of the question. Especially with a 2 billion population. Just like a famine, resource crisis, disease, and so on. Our own government employs people to consider such dangers for our own nation. And we do not have nearly the population. I am not saying tomorrow, but china needs to face some changes.

    As for the "threat." China WILL pose a threat past the China sea. That is in their agenda. They cannot be trusted. I agree with the pentagon assessment, but I take their words with a grain of salt. They are fighting men. They are paid to consider dangers. The Soviet Union was a threat too right? Did we ever get into a shooting war? Not in the open.

    The question you should be asking is not about navies. China would not be able to compete with the United States Navy. What you should ask...is would China risk nuclear war for a little bit of land? For communism? And would their people stand behind that? Would our politicians stand up against it?

    It all comes down to nukes. Not ships.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    A Chinese civil war is not inevitable, but only a fool would think it out of the question. Especially with a 2 billion population. Just like a famine, resource crisis, disease, and so on. Our own government employs people to consider such dangers for our own nation. And we do not have nearly the population. I am not saying tomorrow, but china needs to face some changes.

    As for the "threat." China WILL pose a threat past the China sea. That is in their agenda. They cannot be trusted. I agree with the pentagon assessment, but I take their words with a grain of salt. They are fighting men. They are paid to consider dangers. The Soviet Union was a threat too right? Did we ever get into a shooting war? Not in the open.

    The question you should be asking is not about navies. China would not be able to compete with the United States Navy. What you should ask...is would China risk nuclear war for a little bit of land? For communism? And would their people stand behind that? Would our politicians stand up against it?

    It all comes down to nukes. Not ships.
    Well sure. I would not ever place ANYTHING out of the realm of possibility. It's one thing to say China could experience revolution/civil war one day, but quite another to put it in the realm of certainty. I mean we've had both in America, point in fact, we're not doing all that well here right now and one could just as likely predict the same for here. But that's all beside the point that you fellas keep arguing against the growing threat of China's military. But your arguing with the Pentagon, not me.


    And what is this that China can't be trusted. What does that mean. And how do you both agree with the Pentagons assessment and take it with a grain of salt?
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    China has a weapon that destroys a carrier with one shot.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    China has a weapon that destroys a carrier with one shot.
    So do we. It is called a submarine. Or a tomahawk. Or a nuke.
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