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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Apparently, they forgot we have these buggers, and god knows what nightmarish aircraft that we keep tucked away for a rainy day such as these. It's not secret we've been working on some downright terrifying things. This report assumes we will play by the rules, and we won't use our super secret spooky stuff when the shtf against a real enemy.


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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Yes of course. That completely escaped the minds of those at the Pentagon.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I know. We really need to inform the White house, the Pentagon, CFR and other analyst and strategist groups that keep coming with reports to the contrary.
    Perhaps you could detail your military and intelligence background so we could more properly evaluate these 'sky is falling' predictions of yours. So far we've seen a lot of articles stating that the Chinese are spending a lot on their military. How does that compare to what we spend? They have an aircraft carrier. How many do we have?

    Of course, when you base your opinion on some Russian analyst that nobody has ever heard of, I guess I understand.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes of course. That completely escaped the minds of those at the Pentagon.
    Could you link us to an article where somebody in the Pentagon says that in 5 years we'll lose a war to the Chinese? I missed that.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Could you link us to an article where somebody in the Pentagon says that in 5 years we'll lose a war to the Chinese? I missed that.
    No one said that that was the Pentagons claim. That part is from the Russian study and it was seven years out. But if you want to educate yourself, you'll pick up more than a novel. Start with this years annual Pentagon report to congress on the "serious concerns" (their words not mine) of China's growing military threat. Perhaps the Council on Foreign Relations papers on the subject could teach you something. You probably don't know what the Chinese military budget is do you? Well don't feel bad, neither does the Pentagon, their report says that China is not forthright with their report, but they believe its approaching 200 billion annually, which is a doubling twice in the last two decades.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Let's see...the Pentagon says they have 'serious concerns' about China's growing military threat. Gee, I wonder why they would do that? Two possible reasons come to mind. Anywhere -anywhere - do these experts say that China constitutes a serious threat to the United States? Perhaps you could link me to something that says that.

    This is all very reminiscent of the 'missile gap' of the late 50's and early '60's, that turned out not to exist at all.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    who says there will be any fight?


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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Let's see...the Pentagon says they have 'serious concerns' about China's growing military threat. Gee, I wonder why they would do that? Two possible reasons come to mind. Anywhere -anywhere - do these experts say that China constitutes a serious threat to the United States? Perhaps you could link me to something that says that.

    This is all very reminiscent of the 'missile gap' of the late 50's and early '60's, that turned out not to exist at all.
    I suppose that you think that the Pentagons report to congress this year was to inform them that China has become a serious threat to Bangladesh! It's the Pentagons report to the "US Congress".

    Yes there are plenty of experts that are expressing their concerns that the Chinese are preparing themselves to challenge the US certainly within their own region in the immediate future and beyond going forward. For two decades they have had double digit growth to their annual military budget. The US hasn't done that since WW2.

    After two decades of massive military spending to modernize its armed forces, amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars, China increasingly has the ability to challenge the United States in its region, if not yet outside it. - See more at: Think Again: China's Military

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    China's growing military might: top 4 concerns for the Pentagon
    China continues to increase spending to grow its already considerable military, and top Pentagon officials continue to watch the developments carefully.
    In a report issued this week, the Department of Defense for the first time directly accused China’s military of using cyberattacks to spy on US networks.
    In this arena and others, “China’s military buildup shows no signs of slowing,” said David Helvey, deputy assistant secretary of Defense for East Asia, who presented the congressionally mandated report on the state of China’s military activities.
    Here are Pentagon officials’ top four concerns as they carefully monitor the growth of China’s military.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Militar...ionage-efforts

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    China puts satellites in space and bought our IBM's computer division years ago. Just because they send cheap crap to the USA doesn't mean that is all they can manufacture. It just means they realize that most Americans are stupid consumers.
    You see a lot of IBM computers around these days?
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