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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Everything always has to be extreme. Fools here dismiss China as though a conflict with them would be similar to what the Pentagon has been doing for the last 40 years.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Honestly, I don't think Europe would rally around us at all. They are in deep with China financially, they gleefully cheer for the decline of American influence, and they don't have the stomach for military engagement as a matter of general public opinion (with the exception of maybe France and a handful of Eastern European nations whose support wouldn't be anything more than symbolic). Good thing this is all hypothetical round table fun talk. It would be a world tragedy if it ever happened.
    Most European countries followed the US into Afghanistan and still lose people. The US also has bases scattered all over europe and military interests.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No they couldn't. The article also hedges enormously:

    "Kashin says it is "highly probable" that by 2020 China could defeat the US in a local conflict in the east part of the Pacific or slow down the transportation of US forces to the region..." Not that this is likely either but it is a vast difference.
    A2AD is no joke. I'd wager that, given the U.S. retreat realignment to Guam, our likely reductions as part of the (slowly moving) turn-over to South Korea, the reductions to our Navy, and our general decreased willingness to accept casualties on behalf of our allies, that they would definitely slow down our ability to flow forces into the region.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    No flag ever won a battle.
    Well that was never the point.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dude, I agree with SOME of what you say, but you need to calm the hell down. Most countries siding with China is total bull****. And arming surrogates, they better be paying surrogates or they get nothing. When it comes to arms, the US is the giant and China is the dwarf. When making wheelbarrows, clothes and Walmart merchandise, China is the giant and the US is the dwarf.
    China puts satellites in space and bought our IBM's computer division years ago. Just because they send cheap crap to the USA doesn't mean that is all they can manufacture. It just means they realize that most Americans are stupid consumers.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Being concerned about China's military buildup is hardly the same as proclaiming that they can defeat the United States in a few years. Get serious.
    They may provide some sort of threat to the Philippines or Taiwan or Vietnam, but the U.S.? Really? Go to the library and get a copy of 'Jane's Fighting Ships' and then reconsider.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Everything always has to be extreme. Fools here dismiss China as though a conflict with them would be similar to what the Pentagon has been doing for the last 40 years.
    Actually, no. It's fools who think China is a real military threat to the United States. They are a regional power. That's all.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Actually, no. It's fools who think China is a real military threat to the United States. They are a regional power. That's all.
    Yeah, I know. We really need to inform the White house, the Pentagon, CFR and other analyst and strategist groups that keep coming with reports to the contrary.

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