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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no but being a culture people can relate to certainly helps especially if you were ever in a situation where you needed to gather support from other nations. How many western countries do you think will rally around China?
    Honestly, I don't think Europe would rally around us at all. They are in deep with China financially, they gleefully cheer for the decline of American influence, and they don't have the stomach for military engagement as a matter of general public opinion (with the exception of maybe France and a handful of Eastern European nations whose support wouldn't be anything more than symbolic). Good thing this is all hypothetical round table fun talk. It would be a world tragedy if it ever happened.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Honestly, I don't think Europe would rally around us at all. They are in deep with China financially, they gleefully cheer for the decline of American influence, and they don't have the stomach for military engagement as a matter of general public opinion (with the exception of maybe France and a handful of Eastern European nations whose support wouldn't be anything more than symbolic). Good thing this is all hypothetical round table fun talk. It would be a world tragedy if it ever happened.
    It's far from simple hypothetical. The Pentagons annual report to Congress, as well as a few think tanks, the CFR, the Russians and many others are talking about this. We have been told that the Pentagon is to be moving 60% of its assets to WestPac and the former defence secretary has visited the deep water port at Vietnam eying it for potential use. War with China is a given by no means, but the stronger they get, the more they'll have to be respected.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's far from simple hypothetical. The Pentagons annual report to Congress, as well as a few think tanks, the CFR, the Russians and many others are talking about this. We have been told that the Pentagon is to be moving 60% of its assets to WestPac and the former defence secretary has visited the deep water port at Vietnam eying it for potential use. War with China is a given by no means, but the stronger they get, the more they'll have to be respected.
    I meant going to war is hypothetical, not that pondering it is hypothetical. I could have made that more clear.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I meant going to war is hypothetical, not that pondering it is hypothetical. I could have made that more clear.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Is there an assumption here that the United States will be stagnant on the development of naval technology for 6 years? Are we forgetting that China has only recently acquired an aircraft carrier that is many years past its prime? And that the United States has things like nuclear submarines that we really know nothing about?

    And are we also forgetting that China is an oppressive regime? Facing a rising population? With growing access to technological things like Internet? China is essentially setting themselves for a catastrophe. It may face their government, or their entire population.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Is there an assumption here that the United States will be stagnant on the development of naval technology for 6 years? Are we forgetting that China has only recently acquired an aircraft carrier that is many years past its prime? And that the United States has things like nuclear submarines that we really know nothing about?

    And are we also forgetting that China is an oppressive regime? Facing a rising population? With growing access to technological things like Internet? China is essentially setting themselves for a catastrophe. It may face their government, or their entire population.
    It depends on who "we" is? Those guys in post 202.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is foolish to think that armed conflict with China would be measures on planes versus planes and ships versus ships is also extremely foolish.

    China has no real external enemies nor terrorism dangers. The USA and West does. China could arm and inflame much of the world. It could turn Iran into a nuclear power overnight. It could pour sophisticated small and medium arms to every militant and terrorist organization in the world, and cause civil wars and revolutions in many areas of interest to us.

    It is China, not the USA, that is the manufacturing giant and "war" with China obviously cannot include bombing China, since China is a nuclear power obviously with ballistic missile capacity. Thus, China could be massively producing weapons to give to surrogate allies - who are not allies with China but rather serve as allies for hatred of the USA and the West.

    MOST countries would have compelling reasons to side with China to avoid the chaos China could send their way, and our allies would opt out trying to remain neutral. You do not see "our allies" sending their ships to the region, do you?
    Dude, I agree with SOME of what you say, but you need to calm the hell down. Most countries siding with China is total bull****. And arming surrogates, they better be paying surrogates or they get nothing. When it comes to arms, the US is the giant and China is the dwarf. When making wheelbarrows, clothes and Walmart merchandise, China is the giant and the US is the dwarf.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    And US flags, don't forget them.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    China could soon defeat the United States and its allies in a naval conflict in the East Pacific, says Vassily Kashin, a senior research fellow at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

    In a commentary published on Dec. 27 on the website of the Voice of Russia, the Russian government's international radio broadcasting service, Kashin says it is "highly probable" that by 2020 China could defeat the US in a local conflict in the east part of the Pacific or slow down the transportation of US forces to the region after it completes its current cycle of reforming and rearming the People's Liberation Army.

    "China could be able of reaching its political goals even before the US localizes all the necessary forces for a full-scale counterattack," Kashin said.

    China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst


    Well, we could only hope that such events need not ever be stress tested.
    Well, if Vassily Kasin says it, who are we to argue?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    The Pentagon IS taking the threat of China seriously, regardless of what the resident armchair generals have to say.

    China's growing military might: top 4 concerns for the Pentagon ...
    http://www.csmonitor.com/.../China.....t-cyberwarfare...
    May 9, 2013 - The US Department of Defense is carefully monitoring the growth of China's military. These four items are currently at the top of their list.
    Pentagon Cites Concerns in China Military Growth - NYTimes.com
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/wo...7military.html
    Aug 16, 2010 - The Pentagon study touches American concerns that China's lack of openness about the growth, capabilities and intentions of its military injects ...
    [PDF]Annual Report to Congress - United States Department of Defense
    www.defense.gov/pubs/2013_china_report_final.pdf
    concerns about China's rise. The People's. Liberation Army's (PLA) engagement activities assist its modernization through the acquisition of advanced weapons ...
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