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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no the thread title is "China could defeat the USA in 2020"". My point being that yes they could cause the US a lot of trouble unless the US "takes off the gloves". I wasn't advocating law breaking or saying that the UN should take a leap as this is all theoretical. However if the US and China were to go to war it most certainty come under the title "total war: and in total war both sides tend to overlook laws they would normally abide by ( WW2 being a good example of this). China already don't care much for international law especially when it comes to human rights, pollution, trade, computer privacy etc. So what makes you think China would play by the rules in a conflict against the worlds biggest superpower?
    Yes so sense the US already doesn't follow international law, your suggesting we should stay that course. I mean you have some company with that and the US already conveniently refuses to recognise the authority of the ICC so there's little fear of reprisal. And while your clinging to the notion that the US is the worlds biggest superpower, that status is being challenged in many ways, and this op points at one of them. Are you texting and walking at the same time again?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes so sense the US already doesn't follow international law, your suggesting we should stay that course. I mean you have some company with that and the US already conveniently refuses to recognise the authority of the ICC so there's little fear of reprisal. And while your clinging to the notion that the US is the worlds biggest superpower, that status is being challenged in many ways, and this op points at one of them. Are you texting and walking at the same time again?
    Its being challenged but no one is close to the military firepower of the US. I'm British and served in the British armed forces so its not really that important to me that the US are considered the worlds most powerful country, its just a cold hard fact. The US has military out posts all over the world, it has a bigger military than the next 5 countries combined and its reach is worldwide ( unlike China). Then you consider that America is still culturally the biggest country in the world and its websites like Twitter, Facebook, Google are used worldwide, its movies are watched everywhere etc etc.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Yeah that's it, our movies will save us!

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    Yeah that's it, our movies will save us!
    no but being a culture people can relate to certainly helps especially if you were ever in a situation where you needed to gather support from other nations. How many western countries do you think will rally around China?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

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    no but being a culture people can relate to certainly helps especially if you were ever in a situation where you needed to gather support from other nations. How many western countries do you think will rally around China?
    I guess your arguing with the Russian report in the op. I don't know, how many Latin American countries do you think will rally around the US? I suppose everyone has their detractors.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I guess your arguing with the Russian report in the op. I don't know, how many Latin American countries do you think will rally around the US? I suppose everyone has their detractors.
    Yeh I am arguing with the Russian Report because well...Its Russian lol. It's a prediction nothing else probably drawn up and released in an attempt to shake up the region.

    As for Latin American countries I could not tell you but I don't think the US will need them since they will have Nato at their disposal as well as the very valuable ANZUS treaty will could prove to be very valuable given the location of any conflict in that region.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yeh I am arguing with the Russian Report because well...Its Russian lol. It's a prediction nothing else probably drawn up and released in an attempt to shake up the region.

    As for Latin American countries I could not tell you but I don't think the US will need them since they will have Nato at their disposal as well as the very valuable ANZUS treaty will could prove to be very valuable given the location of any conflict in that region.
    Yes of course, anything Russian is bound to be rubbish. So anyway, I mentioned Latin America just to point out that while China may not have many western countries that would rally around them, the US certainly doesn't have them all in their pocket.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    how many Latin American countries do you think will rally around the US?
    Against: Nicaragua, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela. Total GDP: 550b
    Neutral: Brazil, Peru, Paraguay, Argentina, Uruguay.
    For: Mexico, Panama, Chile, Colombia. Total GDP: 2.5t

    Latin America

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    Brazil a BRICS nation and very rocky relationship with the US.

    Argentina is a major non-NATO ally, but it is one of the most anti-U.S. nations in the world, having long since suspended its automatic alignment policy and distanced itself from the U.S., and is still embroiled in the Falkland Islands dispute with the U.K., the U.S.'s closest ally

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yeh I am arguing with the Russian Report because well...Its Russian lol. It's a prediction nothing else probably drawn up and released in an attempt to shake up the region.

    As for Latin American countries I could not tell you but I don't think the US will need them since they will have Nato at their disposal as well as the very valuable ANZUS treaty will could prove to be very valuable given the location of any conflict in that region.

    Sense you don't like the Russians.

    China’s navy is not poised to speed across the Pacific to threaten America the way the Soviet Union once did, if not worse. This despite Peter Navarro and Greg Autry’s over-the-top polemic, Death by China: Confronting the Dragon—A Global Call to Action, in which they claim that “[T]he People’s Republic is moving forward at Manhattan Project speed to develop a blue water navy capable of challenging the U.S. Navy.”


    http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/china...so-scary-navy/

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