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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    All depends on if the USA will have it hands tied behind its back like it has had in recent conflicts. If the US unleashed its firepower and put a middle finger up to international law then no nation on Earth could hold her back.
    Oh, that would be nice. Yes just fly the finger to everyone else with an interest in the outcome. Sadly, your probably serious; in fact that's probably the way you handle conflict in your personal life, **** everybody else, I'm doing what I want.

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    Well I already had mentioned them being allied with us.....so I don't agree with the premise that China could defeat us.
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    Pride precedes the fall, arrogance is tragedy waiting to happen and NO empire has ever remained at the top, nor is it possible. But in the dying days of every single one, there were no shortage of people belligerent to the notion of what they were experiencing.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    We are not going to form into one country, we are about as united as we want to be. We also do not need it as there is the NATO and the EU can also function with troops as a union rather than a country.
    Is not a UN mandate required for NATO military engagement and defense?
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Over 150 posts before anyone mentions the debt. Best sign that the original article is about what is literally possible, rather than what is actually realistic.

    Whatever we think of the Chinese government, our economies are intertwined.

    If they aggressively attacked our interests (violently seizing regional power unannounced would qualify in my book,) we could withhold all payment until after the dust settled, and then renegotiate the debt, likely in our favor.

    Ceasing those payments is going to have a much more immediate and dramatic effect on China than us. Factories there would start closing immediately. The U.S. would get hurt too, but not to the same extent.

    So WHY would China attack our interests? They can only hurt themselves.

    Though I'd rather not, it could be argued a brief conventional dust-up with China (with them as the aggressor) is exactly what our economy needs. We could negotiate the debt, stimulate the economy, and "rightsize" the Chinese military.

    This is lingering Cold War FUD.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Is not a UN mandate required for NATO military engagement and defense?
    Ha, US presidents are keen to tell the UN to get beside us or get behind us when such "mandates" are unattainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Over 150 posts before anyone mentions the debt. Best sign that the original article is about what is literally possible, rather than what is actually realistic.

    Whatever we think of the Chinese government, our economies are intertwined.

    If they aggressively attacked our interests (violently seizing regional power unannounced would qualify in my book,) we could withhold all payment until after the dust settled, and then renegotiate the debt, likely in our favor.

    Ceasing those payments is going to have a much more immediate and dramatic effect on China than us. Factories there would start closing immediately. The U.S. would get hurt too, but not to the same extent.

    So WHY would China attack our interests? They can only hurt themselves.

    Though I'd rather not, it could be argued a brief conventional dust-up with China (with them as the aggressor) is exactly what our economy needs. We could negotiate the debt, stimulate the economy, and "rightsize" the Chinese military.

    This is lingering Cold War FUD.
    I haven't a clue as to the purpose that Russia produced this paper, but I can tell you that my purpose for posting it here was not to insinuate that the Chinese are so ready to attack and defeat the US tomorrow. But to focus on the very real fact that the Chinese military expenditure has gone viral in the last decade. The last time the US Pentagon budget DOUBLED in such a short period of time was WW2. So while this is not "the sky is falling" story, it deserves far more respect than what it gets from the typical macho man response that we see here from so many. If (however big that if, is) the US became involved in a military conflict with China, it would be nothing like we have dealt with in the past 40 years. It would be hugely painful by comparison. All the armchair general scenarios that keep getting expressed would be rubbish. As arguably one of America's greatest generals (Eisenhower) once proclaimed, once hostilities begin, all plans go out the window. NOBODY, can predict dogmatically what China would do, or what they are capable of doing.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, that would be nice. Yes just fly the finger to everyone else with an interest in the outcome. Sadly, your probably serious; in fact that's probably the way you handle conflict in your personal life, **** everybody else, I'm doing what I want.
    Sadly your naïve enough to think that China will play nice if it ever came down to it. The allies didn't win WW2 by following international law because you just don't win a "total war" in that fashion.

    As for my personal life I would prefer you didn't comment on that as you do not know me as a person, Thank you.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ha, US presidents are keen to tell the UN to get beside us or get behind us when such "mandates" are unattainable.
    Still it is not an automatic response which would be the case if EU was a country.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Sadly your naïve enough to think that China will play nice if it ever came down to it. The allies didn't win WW2 by following international law because you just don't win a "total war" in that fashion.

    As for my personal life I would prefer you didn't comment on that as you do not know me as a person, Thank you.
    See. There you go again, what are you a soldier and every problem is solved by a war? I'm talking about diplomacy to evade war. As for China, what would you consider playing nice? Following international law. Because you're suggesting the US fly the middle finger to it and just kick ass and the innocents be damned.

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