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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you support or just excuse Chinese military spending based on "because of the US"? Do you support US military spending?




    If China acts militarily against the US, the debt is cancelled - causing China to fragment and the US to become the richest nation ever. Please, please China let the US cancel its debt.
    ^ That claim is absurd, but you keep repeating the claim. If the US refused to honor any foreign debts we have, it is the end of the American economy. Hyper-inflation would hit within 2 weeks, when essentially every retail shelf goes empty. Write off the stock market. So would gas pumps as countries refused to accept American money for oil purchases. Within a month the USA would be a 3rd world country economically. China, having a massive industrial base and not dependent on the US market would recover. The Chinese society does not run and live on American products. The USA would not.

    The USA filing bankruptcy with the world really doesn't eliminate the debt and save all that money. It would make American money worthless. Nor is it that the debt can just be "cancelled." China isn't holding a stack of IOUs like you seem to believe.

    But the REAL winner would be Russia of such an economic war between China and the USA.
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ^ That claim is absurd, but you keep repeating the claim. If the US refused to honor any foreign debts we have, it is the end of the American economy. Hyper-inflation would hit within 2 weeks, when essentially every retail shelf goes empty. So would gas pumps as countries refused to accept American money for oil purchases. Within a month the USA would be a 3rd world country economically. China, having a massive industrial base and not dependent on the US market would recover. The Chinese society does not run on American products. The USA would not.
    You expect the US to pay Chinese debt while China acts militarily against the US? I bet you think we'd also still be importing all that cheap crap. Be real.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You expect the US to pay Chinese debt while China acts militarily against the US? I bet you think we'd also still be importing all that cheap crap. Be real.
    Explain what you mean by "militarily act against the US?" You mean attack the USA militarily? Well, that's pretty much is the end of human life on this planet so it really wouldn't matter either way.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    China though is increasingly becoming an issue. Hence the EU should become a country ASAP!
    We are not going to form into one country, we are about as united as we want to be. We also do not need it as there is the NATO and the EU can also function with troops as a union rather than a country.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is a couple weeks old!!

    Kerry’s Return to Vietnam Is All About Blocking China
    - See more at: Kerry


    The US is talking to the Philippine's as well about a port, perhaps in case it doesn't work out in Vietnam, I suppose. Also, I don't know that this is so much of a military partnership that Clinton/Gate's was working on or just a case of Vietnam being concerned enough about China to make the distasteful arrangement.

    Yeah Monte thats what the Piece I had up was about......plus like I said earlier, these Asian Nations standing together will be enough. As China is into conflict with all of them. We wont need to look to the Europeans nor even consider them to be at our side with anything in this region.

    Kerry has made several trips to NAM. Plus again.....South Korea already made their Statement. I didn't see anything from China responding back.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    All depends on if the USA will have it hands tied behind its back like it has had in recent conflicts. If the US unleashed its firepower and put a middle finger up to international law then no nation on Earth could hold her back.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Call me when they let us set up a base in Vietnam, or when we begin conducting joint exercises. Until then, it's all talk about "strategic partnerships" is nothing but hot air and bluster.

    Also... 5 patrol boats? Really? Like that's gonna help if China comes calling?


    Seems the Vietnamese didn't have our help in 79 nor any of our Patrol Boats.....course as all know. China was never able to Conquer NAM and had their ass handed to themselves on a Silver Platter. Just like China was unable to deal with Japan.

    The only difference from the Past......is now all these other Asian countries can and will stand together.

    The New Wrinkle that China hasn't figured out.....and the one the Russians could never understand about in the first place.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    All depends on if the USA will have it hands tied behind its back like it has had in recent conflicts. If the US unleashed its firepower and put a middle finger up to international law then no nation on Earth could hold her back.
    Yeah Higgins that's the Key.....telling the UN to STFU. Then to kiss our ass. I'm all for that.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah Higgins that's the Key.....telling the UN to STFU. Then to kiss our ass. I'm all for that.
    Afghan would already be over and Iraq would be a different story. Even serving in the British army its the same story ( with less firepower), we knew what the problem was in Basra but there was **** all we could do about it. Afghan we spilled blood in the helmand and we leave and they walk back in....
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    We are not going to form into one country, we are about as united as we want to be. We also do not need it as there is the NATO and the EU can also function with troops as a union rather than a country.
    Hell, maybe it's time for the US to form one country.
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