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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    First off, I'm glad that we have this thread... everything else on this forum right now is abortions and duck dynasty... both of which I have no interest in. Back to post, why is it people think their can't be small scale conflicts between large nuclear powers? China's done it with both Russia and India... and Russia definitely had nukes at that time. I'm just saying that when fighting over interests, limited to an area like the East China Sea, you could have a small scale conflict.
    So you imagine the Chinese could sink even one of our warships without starting an all out war? I don't believe they could or would.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Vietnamese hate the Chinese and always have. They even fought (and won) a skirmish with them over borders soon after the US left them alone.
    Then again, who haven't the Chinese been at war with in the past half a century. But we're talking about them possibly getting involved in an area that they have no interest in. And I don't see the Vietnamese joining an Alliance with Japan and the US to stop China. We have some common ground in the south, but not in the east.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you imagine the Chinese could sink even one of our warships without starting an all out war? I don't believe they could or would.
    Sinking one ship would immediately demand a nuclear strike though? We'd do a measured response... strike back at the areas that launched the attack (or attempt to). I just don't see the US starting Armageddon over a few islands in the East China Sea.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I know its not.....and neither were these guys all standing in line holding arms and making it known to China they will stand together.
    That's not 'exactly' what I said. Nevertheless, besides other considerations, Vietnam knows the US is standing behind them, that's just the truth. You might research Hillary Clinton's meetings in 2010 and Robert Gate's following her with Vietnam.

    From The Congressional Research Service:

    The Obama Administration also used them (Clinton/Gate's meetings) as occasions to signal its determination to increase its presence in Southeast Asia generally, and upgrade its strategic relationship with Vietnam in particular. Of particular note, during the July ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) meeting, Vietnamese and U.S. officials orchestrated a multilateral diplomatic push-back against perceived Chinese assertiveness in the South China Sea.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R40208.pdf

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's not 'exactly' what I said. Nevertheless, besides other considerations, Vietnam knows the US is standing behind them, that's just the truth. You might research Hillary Clinton's meetings in 2010 and Robert Gate's following her with Vietnam.

    From The Congressional Research Service:

    The Obama Administration also used them (Clinton/Gate's meetings) as occasions to signal its determination to increase its presence in Southeast Asia generally, and upgrade its strategic relationship with Vietnam in particular. Of particular note, during the July ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) meeting, Vietnamese and U.S. officials orchestrated a multilateral diplomatic push-back against perceived Chinese assertiveness in the South China Sea.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R40208.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Don't know if you saw this......On Vietnam and the Phillipines. Plus South Korea has already stated they wont acknowledge China's zone nor report to them.



    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam.....




    The United States will boost maritime security assistance to China's smaller neighbors amid rising tensions over disputed territories in the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Monday during a visit to Vietnam, where he also pressed the communist government on human rights and democratic and economic reforms.

    The U.S. will provide an additional $32.5 million to help Southeast Asian nations protect their territorial waters and secure navigational freedom, Kerry said. Vietnam alone will receive up to $18 million, including five fast patrol-boats that will be given to the Vietnamese Coast Guard, he said. With the new contribution, U.S. maritime security assistance to the region will exceed $156 million over the next two years, the State Department said.

    At a news conference Monday with Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh, Kerry said the assistance was not a "quickly conceived reaction to any events in the region" but rather part of a "gradual and deliberate expansion" in such aid. But he made clear that the aid is designed to help nations defend their waters from encroachment.

    "Peace and stability in the South China Sea is a top priority for us and for countries in the region," Kerry said. "We are very concerned by and strongly opposed to coercive and aggressive tactics to advance territorial claims."

    Kerry's visit to Vietnam, to be followed by a stop in the Philippines on Tuesday, comes as tensions over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea have risen dramatically, and many of China's neighbors are seeking assurances from Washington that it will remain a guarantor of maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region.

    Both Vietnam and the Philippines are involved in disputes with China. Monday's announcement was likely to rankle Beijing and calm concerns in Vietnam and other countries that the United States might be acquiescing to China's shows of strength.....snip~

    US boosts maritime security aid to Vietnam
    Call me when they let us set up a base in Vietnam, or when we begin conducting joint exercises. Until then, it's all talk about "strategic partnerships" is nothing but hot air and bluster.

    Also... 5 patrol boats? Really? Like that's gonna help if China comes calling?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL It's like you don't know that we have the nuclear capability to destroy China entirely with the push of a button. Conventional war between major powers is as extinct as the dinosaur. The Chinese are merely responding to our presence. They would never attempt to use ANY of their warships against us or our allies.
    Lol, it's like you think we're going to whip out the nuclear capability!

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, really. There's a distinct difference. I can win the lottery, but I can say with a great deal of confidence that I wont.



    The resources gained from that rig are overwhelmed by the expense of fighting over it. You've seen the outrageously high cost of our fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine the cost of actually having naval assets at risk. Modern fighter aircraft are hideously effective at destroying large, slow moving targets. Once an aircraft carrier sinks, it's not going to be a small conflict.
    Well if your not buying tickets, you damn sure won't, lol.

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Vietnamese hate the Chinese and always have. They even fought (and won) a skirmish with them over borders soon after the US left them alone.
    Have you done a quick check on China's navy then verses now?

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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Call me when they let us set up a base in Vietnam, or when we begin conducting joint exercises. Until then, it's all talk about "strategic partnerships" is nothing but hot air and bluster.

    Also... 5 patrol boats? Really? Like that's gonna help if China comes calling?
    We're working on that too HB.


    As the Obama administration revamps its Asian strategy in response to a rising China, the U.S. military is eyeing a return to some familiar bases from its last conflict in the region — the Vietnam War.


    In next-door Vietnam, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta this month became the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit the naval and air base at Cam Ranh Bay since the end of the war. Citing the “tremendous potential here,” Panetta enthused about the prospect of U.S. ships again becoming a common sight at the deep-water port.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...3vV_story.html

    CAM RANH BAY, Vietnam - On Sunday Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta became the first Pentagon chief to visit Cam Ranh Bay’s deep water port since the end of the Vietnam war - when America used it as a base of operations to wage an illegal war in that country.

    The US military is hoping that American atrocities and war crimes will not get in the way of its return to the strategically important base in the South China Sea.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/us-s...threaten-china


    Note the mention of the "illegal" war there!
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    Re: China could defeat US in East Pacific conflict by 2020: Russian analyst

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well if your not buying tickets, you damn sure won't, lol.
    I knew i was forgetting something!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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