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Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

Ockham said:
Isn't this another Bonfire of the Vanities?

I'm by no means excusing this crime - he's guilty as sin by his own recording. This isn't about the white man, but the omission of the black defendants who are NOT charged with a hate crime. Each case must be taken individually and obviously a hate crime is not extended in all situations.
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By his own words, this was a fishing expedition to see if it would get any notoriety...it did and his suspicions were correct.

Holder & Co. jumped on it like flies to a **** wagon.
 
scatt said:
I am not aware of any that are referenced like "hate crimes."

I specifically responded to it.
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I understand why you don't want to answer the question I asked - you know that you don't really oppose using intent or motive to determine a charge or a sentence; You only oppose the use of intent when it's used to punish violence committed against certain groups.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
You bring up a good point. And While I think there is a clear disparity in how the public and state react to crimes involving individual;s of differing racial backgrounds, have any of the other "knock-out attacks" involved such clear evidence of racial motivation?
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I'm not familiar enough with the other cases, but given the last few years and the growing trend and occurances I would suspect at least one other case would garner race as a motivating factor where the victim was white and the accused was black. However I did find articles and in one CBS article citing Brooklyn Heights NY, the victims were identified as all being jewish.

"Knockout" game targeting victims in several cities, report says - CBS News

Other articles cite terms called "polar bear hunting" - how valid that is, I'm not sure.
 
WCH said:
By his own words, this was a fishing expedition to see if it would get any notoriety...it did and his suspicions were correct.

Holder & Co. jumped on it like flies to a **** wagon.
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I believe a whistle blower a year or two ago came out and said Holders DoJ would not prosecute hate crimes where blacks were accused, only when whites were accused. This seems to lend credibility to that whistle blower's story.
 
Ockham said:
I believe a whistle blower a year or two ago came out and said Holders DoJ would not prosecute hate crimes where blacks were accused, only when whites were accused. This seems to lend credibility to that whistle blower's story.
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Do you have the story that cites the whistleblower?
 
sangha said:
Do you oppose the law distinguishing between murder and manslaughter?
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Not accepting your premise simply means I do not accept your premise.

Intent is not the same as not knowing.
 
Rocketman said:
The Obama administration filed a federal hate-crimes charge Thursday against a man whom authorities accused of using the “knockout game” to target a black man, videotaping it, and then bragging about the assault to strangers.

The charge marks the first time the administration has taken action on a “knockout” case after the game became an Internet and media phenomenon. It chose a case in which the person accused is white, even though most other cases reported in the news have involved black assailants.


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In all fairness it only took them so long to care about the knockout game because it took a while for the first white kid do it to a non-white person. ;)
 
scatt said:
Not accepting your premise simply means I do not accept your premise.

Intent is not the same as not knowing.
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Not answering a simple question means you're dodging.

Do you oppose the law distinguishing between murder and manslaughter?
 
VanceMack said:
You CANT be stupid enough to believe that anyone is supporting the idea that the perpetrator is the 'victim'...right? SURELY you have at LEAST enough going on in your dome to recognize that the upset is over the blatant hypocrisy of ignoring the knockout game, minimizing it, pretending it isnt a problem, doing nothing about it then BOOM...all of a sudden there is fed involvement when a white guy punches a black guy. There have been numerous incident requiring hospitalization, permanent damage, and in some cases even death...but none of those were deemed significant. THIS incident demands action? Hypocrisy.

There should not be ANYONE charged with 'hate crimes'. They should all be charged with the crime they committed and their sentencing should reflect their wanton disregard for human life. Race should not come into it.
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No, I see plenty of seeing the perp as the "victim of Obama's persecution of white people." You don't see it, but that's not surprising considering where it came from. Just look a few posts down from the OP to see the fact about interracial crime - since 90% of it is blacks, well I guess that means this guy's being persecuted doesn't it? It's because he's white.
 
WCH said:
By his own words, this was a fishing expedition to see if it would get any notoriety...it did and his suspicions were correct.

Holder & Co. jumped on it like flies to a **** wagon.
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Well then I guess this guy's a hero for exposing Liberal hypocrisy isn't he?
 
rocket88 said:
No, I see plenty of seeing the perp as the "victim of Obama's persecution of white people." You don't see it, but that's not surprising considering where it came from. Just look a few posts down from the OP to see the fact about interracial crime - since 90% of it is blacks, well I guess that means this guy's being persecuted doesn't it? It's because he's white.
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No...what you see is that your position is indefensible so you do that same tired as **** people liek you always do...pretend people pointing out the facts are whining or being 'victims'. Tis a sad, pathetic played out tactic. It doesnt work. It doesnt apply. Sorry...you are going to have to actually address the FACTS...and the facts in this case are clear. You and people like you TRIP over yourselves to minimize, excuse, and or pretend things arent racially motivated. You know...when it is blacks perpetrating on whites.
 
VanceMack said:
No...what you see is that your position is indefensible so you do that same tired as **** people liek you always do...pretend people pointing out the facts are whining or being 'victims'. Tis a sad, pathetic played out tactic. It doesnt work. It doesnt apply. Sorry...you are going to have to actually address the FACTS...and the facts in this case are clear. You and people like you TRIP over yourselves to minimize, excuse, and or pretend things arent racially motivated. You know...when it is blacks perpetrating on whites.
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Where whites attacked specifically because of their race?
 
VanceMack said:
No...what you see is that your position is indefensible so you do that same tired as **** people liek you always do...pretend people pointing out the facts are whining or being 'victims'. Tis a sad, pathetic played out tactic. It doesnt work. It doesnt apply. Sorry...you are going to have to actually address the FACTS...and the facts in this case are clear. You and people like you TRIP over yourselves to minimize, excuse, and or pretend things arent racially motivated. You know...when it is blacks perpetrating on whites.
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Aren't you the one who said race shouldn't matter? Now you're going to scream about racially motivated crimes. But not, you know, when a white guy did it. Even when he said himself it was racially motivated, we're going to turn this into our daily dose of ODS.

So the fact about 90% of interracial crime...why bring it up? This particular case is just in the other 10%. I don't see why it had to be brought up. Another fact is that the world is round, but I don't see anybody pointing that out. Why is it that when liberals bring up facts, it's "partisan" but when conservatives do it, they're pretending they're the encyclopedia or something?
 
sangha said:
You continue to dodge the question
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I answered in the first post. I am not sure why your emotional hysteria pretends I did not.
 
rocket88 said:
Aren't you the one who said race shouldn't matter? Now you're going to scream about racially motivated crimes. But not, you know, when a white guy did it. Even when he said himself it was racially motivated, we're going to turn this into our daily dose of ODS.

So the fact about 90% of interracial crime...why bring it up? This particular case is just in the other 10%. I don't see why it had to be brought up. Another fact is that the world is round, but I don't see anybody pointing that out. Why is it that when liberals bring up facts, it's "partisan" but when conservatives do it, they're pretending they're the encyclopedia or something?
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race DOESNT matter. And yet...race was the sole motivation factor for the fed involvement. That's the hypocrisy part that you lose a sandal in your rush to defend. It's either a racially motivated hate crime when both do it or not at all. Me...I say not at all. Asshole should be charged with attempted murder. Sentenced accordingly. Done deal.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Where whites attacked specifically because of their race?
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In many cases...absolutely...and there are documented cases of it. New York City is filing hate crime charges where Jews were specifically attacked. Again...where is the fed?
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's a heinous cowardly thing to do to anyone, but to announce the race element, and brag about it, is begging for the extra penalty to be applied. As for the ludicrous idea that he's the only white guy to have ever done it, anyone pushing that has severe problems with reality.
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Not to mention the fact that, in choosing his victim, he didn't go after a "Mike Tyson". Instead, the coward went after a frail 79 year old man. This is what makes his crime especially heinous. He is going to deserve each and every day he spends in prison, where the gangs will be playing the knockout game with him. He will have to constantly watch his back, but it won't help. He is going to get a lot of knockouts in there, and maybe, his butt will be knocked out many times too by "Tyrone". This is what will make his sentence a good one.
 
apdst said:
But, rather than clarify the comments, your first instinct was to go into insult mode.
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Because you were being so blatantly dishonest that there's no reason to try and discuss this with you reasonably.
 
Deuce said:
Because you were being so blatantly dishonest that there's no reason to try and discuss this with you reasonably.
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Now, we have the deflection mode.
 
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