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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nonsense.
    So there is no left-right?

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

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    So there is no left-right?
    Of course there is left and right. Are you capable of having an honest discussion without twisting people's words? It's pretty much all I've seen you do.

    You said centrist (left of the right) is still "pretty left." Which means that the "center" has been pushed "left," which simply isn't so in this country -- at least not in matters of the economy, security or defense. I'd say the only way the "center" has been pushed "left" is socially, with more acceptance of gays and (moderately) better treatment of minorities.
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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course there is left and right. Are you capable of having an honest discussion without twisting people's words? It's pretty much all I've seen you do.

    You said centrist (left of the right) is still "pretty left." Which means that the "center" has been pushed "left," which simply isn't so in this country -- at least not in matters of the economy, security or defense. I'd say the only way the "center" has been pushed "left" is socially, with more acceptance of gays and (moderately) better treatment of minorities.
    A belief that one is a centrist does not alter anything. A self-labeling is completely irrelevant to the left-right policy line. The policies are left or right, and support of policies moves you left or right.

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    A belief that one is a centrist does not alter anything. A self-labeling is completely irrelevant to the left-right policy line. The policies are left or right, and support of policies moves you left or right.
    And many times that's subjective.

    I do not understand the obsessive need some people have to label others "left" or "right," as if that accomplishes anything other than using someone's lean as a pejorative.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And many times that's subjective.

    I do not understand the obsessive need some people have to label others "left" or "right," as if that accomplishes anything other than using someone's lean as a pejorative.
    You are starting to get it, yes.

    Totalitarianism is left, absolutely no state is right. Very simple.

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You are starting to get it, yes.

    Totalitarianism is left, absolutely no state is right. Very simple.
    Not all totalitarianism is "left." You're looking at it as a line rather than a pair of axes. You ever take the Political Compass test before?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Very simple.
    Yes, your observations of the world are very simple.

    I would call them extremely simple-minded, in fact, the sort of stuff a child might offer.
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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not all totalitarianism is "left." You're looking at it as a line rather than a pair of axes. You ever take the Political Compass test before?
    Just tilt it, and you have what you are looking for. In this case, the absolute bottom is right, the absolute top is left.
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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Policies are left or right. People support policies. Policies, not people is the issue here.
    Far from it. Actually, I support a lot of Right leaning ideas, but I hate the people who call the Right their home: the religious nuts, the homophobes, the racists, and the greedy. To name a few.

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    Re: Feds charge white man with hate crime in first ‘knockout’ prosecution

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Far from it. Actually, I support a lot of Right leaning ideas, but I hate the people who call the Right their home: the religious nuts, the homophobes, the racists, and the greedy. To name a few.
    Christianity, statism, there is no material difference in the faith needed to support either.

    And again, self-labeling yourself is irrelevant to actual left-right labeling.

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