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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You are proposing bombing a country based on the actions of individuals? Let's say that other countries took that approach and that Kal'Stang, Jr performed some action that violated your hypothetical. Where should that country target, in the United States, the 1st three nukes? What if the country were Indonesia? Would you extend the boundaries or give them a non-ME exemption?
    My proposal is based on countries with known terrorist ties. If those countries keep allowing those terrorists to continue inside thier country then they are as much at fault as the terrorists. We shouldn't have to police thier country to try and stamp out Terrorists. They should be doing it on their own. And if they don't even attempt to do so then screw em. The only exemption I would make is if the country was actively trying their best to stamp out or keep out terrorists.

    As for our country...imo any president that gives aid to known terrorists should be summarily impeached and tried as a war criminal. Same goes for any politician. And any civilian tried for treason.
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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    My proposal is based on countries with known terrorist ties. If those countries keep allowing those terrorists to continue inside thier country then they are as much at fault as the terrorists. We shouldn't have to police thier country to try and stamp out Terrorists. They should be doing it on their own. And if they don't even attempt to do so then screw em. The only exemption I would make is if the country was actively trying their best to stamp out or keep out terrorists.

    As for our country...imo any president that gives aid to known terrorists should be summarily impeached and tried as a war criminal. Same goes for any politician. And any civilian tried for treason.
    To whom are these countries terrorist ties known? Is there a list somewhere or is the list of known countries with terrorist ties not known?

    How would a country stop the terrorist activities of an individual? How are they stopped in our country?

    What are the procedures of a summary impeachment of the President? I've not heard that term used with regard to a President before.

    Should a CIA agent, that engages in terrorist in another country on the US government's behalf, be tried as a war criminal in the US or anywhere else?

    I'm trying to understand whether you seriously though these issues through or are just using bombast liberally.

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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    To whom are these countries terrorist ties known? Is there a list somewhere or is the list of known countries with terrorist ties not known?
    One example is the Iran and Hezbollah. Iran is known to fund Hezbollah in its attacks against Israel. So yes, there is a list of countries with known terrorist ties.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    How would a country stop the terrorist activities of an individual? How are they stopped in our country?
    I did say that they must actively try to stamp out terrorism did I not? Sick individuals will always exist and will always get through the cracks. So long as the country that terrorist came from is actively trying to stamp out terrorism then I'm quite happy to ignore the occasional sick **** getting through.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What are the procedures of a summary impeachment of the President? I've not heard that term used with regard to a President before.
    You're quibbling semantics. Impeach the president. Duh. Whatever current process is required go through it. Currently to impeach the President he/she must commit and be convicted of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors crimes. So...make it a crime to support terrorist organizations. Oh wait...there is already such a law in place. Now it just needs to be applied to our government officials, including the President.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Should a CIA agent, that engages in terrorist in another country on the US government's behalf, be tried as a war criminal in the US or anywhere else?
    In the country in which he/she committed the terrorist act. Then, if he/she happens to live through whatever punishment was handed down and eventually gets back to the states try them for treason as they are acting against the interests of the US. If possible find out if he/she was ordered to do what they did and if so, depending on their knowledge of US secrets either ship them to the country in question or charge them with treason and give them the death penalty, publicly.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm trying to understand whether you seriously though these issues through or are just using bombast liberally.
    No, you're trying to create a situation in which I will be hypocritical in my proposal so as to denounce it as being "immoral" or some other extreme adjective. Well, 1: I'm no saint. 2: I'm not perfect and cannot think of every single little contingency. No one can. 3: I'm not a lawyer. I'm a simple man who believes in simple solutions and straight up honesty as being the best policy where ever posible. I also believe that more often than not people purposely set out to make things far more complicated than they need to. Including this situation.
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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How are they cleared without a trial?
    Because they have been not charged of anything. Our government is just holding them without charging them.


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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Free PR for the terrorists then...
    Freedom of the press.


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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because they have been not charged of anything. Our government is just holding them without charging them.
    Then release them. If they indeed are terrorists they will go back to their ways, will be targeted and hopefully killed. If they are not terrorists - well, they'll be pissed off enough to maybe become one.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Freedom of the press.
    In Cuba, on a military institutional jail? Not likely.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actually isnt he starting to try to find a way to close the place down?
    Your president has done it once in the first year of his reign! No?

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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Your president has done it once in the first year of his reign! No?
    No he has not. Think that is pretty obvious.


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    Re: Ongoing Gitmo Hunger-Strike Spurs Prison to Impose Media Blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    In Cuba, on a military institutional jail? Not likely.
    Then that directly contradicts the notion of a "free press"


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