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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Wait you are speaking in tongues. First you tut-tut the execs of A&E to do their duty to mammon, then claim a set of virtues trump money.
    No reason to be confused here. The executives at A&E are supposed to be bound by their fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders to preserve and enhance the value of A&E. If they can do that by throwing their most successful program ever into the toilet then they've pulled off an amazing feat. The Robertsons, on the other hand, are under no such constraint, so, honestly, who has more to lose here? They guys who (are supposed to) value money, or the guys who value their religion and their family? I think the other Robertsons see that they have more to lose if they chuck Phil overboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    IF the owners of A&E have a problem with what the execs did they WILL step-in. The is ZERO reason for them not to if they so choose.
    Well, that's true, but I would be surprised if they don't fire or demote some people. Maybe not right away, but quietly over the next several months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So you think it has more impact to boycott A&E?
    A targeted boycott would probably be more effective, because, as the poster said, Disney's tentacles reach everywhere. A&E is where the conflict is centered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, that's true, but I would be surprised if they don't fire or demote some people. Maybe not right away, but quietly over the next several months.
    On this topic again, does anyone recall the incident at NPR in which Juan Williams was summarily fired for saying on The O'Reilly Factor that he got nervous when he saw people in "Muslim garb" getting on an airplane? Ellen Weiss, the Peabody Award-winning journalist who fired Williams, was forced to resign within a couple of months even though she'd been with NPR for twenty-eight years. Meanwhile, Williams rose from the ashes and is now a full-time Fox analyst. Assuming Duck Dynasty is finished, I can see the Robertsons reinventing a show somewhere else.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    On this topic again, does anyone recall the incident at NPR in which Juan Williams was summarily fired for saying on The O'Reilly Factor that he got nervous when he saw people in "Muslim garb" getting on an airplane? Ellen Weiss, the Peabody Award-winning journalist who fired Williams, was forced to resign within a couple of months even though she'd been with NPR for twenty-eight years. Meanwhile, Williams rose from the ashes and is now a full-time Fox analyst. Assuming Duck Dynasty is finished, I can see the Robertsons reinventing a show somewhere else.
    Muslim garb makes me feel safer, they are never an issue on the plane

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Completely irrelevant, got anymore irrelevancies to reveal. Remember, follow your own advice. This is about business, and A&E knew all along. They supported the existence of this belief even before Robertson spoke out, so their outrage is phoney........and purely for business reasons. So you'll be boycotting A&E from now on too, won't you?
    I'm curious, what difference does it make if their decision was a "moral one" or sheerly based on business? I happen to agree with you by the way, I think A&E was aware of his opinions and thought they could contain it (by editing parts out of the show they thought they viewers would find offensive). Do I think A&E would have fired him if he had made the comments on the show, comments that they could easily edit out?

    Nope. They were doing what businesses do. Make money and without a doubt DD is a cash cow. I think A&E weighed the backlash of suspending him with doing nothing and thought it was in their best business interest to suspend him. I think they have a team of cracked spin doctors consulting on how to deal with this in a way that is best for them in light of the decision they made. Am I upset that their not being honest and are framing this in a way that creates a positive perception of them....Come on, please. Don't be naive.

    Do I think A&E is a good wholesome company? Nope.

    Do I think they may be guilty of hypocrisy, yup....

    Does any of that have any bearing on how I feel about them suspending him, nope.

    Let's say I had a special set of skills and found myself in the employ of a large Christian congregation. Something with national reach. Then let's say I spent my weekends creating anti-Christian videos on YouTube and they went viral and were suddenly being watched by millions. Would the Church refusing to employ me be considered censorship? Of course not. Would the church be lambasted for their decision to fire an atheist that worked for them, yup. Would other atheists whine and scream and kick and make false accusations? Yep. Does any of that really matter, nope. The church would be within it's rights, just like A&E was.

    You have the right to say whatever you want. You don't have the right to say whatever you want wherever you want without there sometimes being consequences. I applaud Phil, not for his comments, but having the courage to say what he thinks, even if I disagree with it. More power to him.

    Was Phil's Free speech violated? Well unless someone has threatened to use force against him to make him stop saying what he wants to say and the threat comes from some entity that can make him stop, then I'd say no. He is still free to say whatever he wants, just not anywhere and everywhere he wants consequence free.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    No reason to be confused here. The executives at A&E are supposed to be bound by their fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders to preserve and enhance the value of A&E.
    All one has to do is consider who likes their decision and who dislikes it. Then create shows that appeal to that that agree with what they did. Obviously they've received a ton of free press and are being lauded by those in the LGBT community and those sympathetic to their cause.

    Charlie Sheen is proof that you can do almost anything and find a target audience. There is more than one way to spin this and unless A&E's management is inept, they will come out of this just fine.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Look who blinked first:

    It looks like Phil Robertson's suspension from "Duck Dynasty" may be just for show. Entertainment Weekly learned that on Jan. 15, A&E will begin airing new episodes of the show that include scenes featuring the "Dynasty" patriarch.

    "The network also hopes the media and fan furor will cool down over the holidays and that tensions over shooting future episodes can then be resolved," Entertainment Weekly reports. “There’s no negotiation to have; we’re doing the show,” an inside source told them.

    Phil Robertson Will Return To 'Duck Dynasty' Episodes In January
    So much for A&E's "morals."
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    Has the Cracker Barrel boycott begun? I'll be curious about its sales today. Cracker Barrel pulls 'Duck Dynasty' merchandise | Fox News

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Look who blinked first:



    So much for A&E's "morals."
    I read somewhere the other day that eight of the new episodes have already been shot. They will shoot more starting in March, that's when we'll see if Phil is still there.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    I hope the series finds a new home, they obviously have many fans.

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