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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    1.4 million "Likes," including mine, and counting. I tried to find a "mainstream media" headline that made a direct reference to this phenomenon but had to settle for Breitbart.com.

    'Boycott A&E' Facebook Support Page for Phil Robertson Gets over 1M Likes
    Would it not be more effective to boycott Disney, owner of A&E.

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So, you guys going after WallMart next? I think your side has already tried that. How has that worked out for you?
    Wal-Mart offers benefits for same-sex spouses, even if they live in a state where gay marriage is banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Would it not be more effective to boycott Disney, owner of A&E.
    Disney is a corporate juggernaut. I doubt the anti-gay side could make a dent. Also, Disney has already faced criticism from them for their longtime supporters of LGBT rights.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, it is not a fact. It is your belief that it is a sin.
    You are not paying attention.
    Most likely it is on purpose.
    It is a fact, that in the bible homosexuality is a sin and that info come s from G_d.
    YOu can not change that.
    Belief in that religion, and stating that it is a sin, does not make one a bigot


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Also, it is not up to Phil Robertson to judge other people IMHO.
    He was asked what he thought was sinful. Stating what is sinful is not passing judgement on anybody.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, you are of the opinion that I am wrong, I do not think that at all. And I will not get over it.
    Doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Claiming what he did about blacks is very stupid and ludicrous. If someone did not see the suffering of the blacks in the South they were not trying very hard or were totally blind to the situation but claiming that the blacks in the US were happier before they got human rights is incredibly stupid.
    You have no ****en clue to even speak such about his personal experience.
    His personal experience can neither be stupid or ludicrous.
    Those are your own biased, bigoted, ridiculous thoughts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    It is ludicrous if he claims that the singing blacks were happier before civil rightss and again, that is not only dumb but also very wrong.
    And again, you have no ****en clue to even speak such about his personal experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Just because some dumb facebook action is getting a lot of likes does not mean support for him is overshadowing any gay supporters.
    Wow! you limit your self to a facebook posting?
    How absurd. It isn't just facebook, or the replies made at the published articles, or the drop in viewers, but the total combined.
    The support for him is overshadowing any gay supporters.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I think what he said in GQ about both racial issues and gay issues is plenty enough for A&E to decide what they did, they too are free in their opinions and actions.
    No it isn't enough if it is based on false information as reported. They can not support what they did under such false pretense.
    They just don't get to flip the script and say we didn't suspend you for this as we said, but it was actually for something else.
    That would put them even more into the wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, but it can be the consequence if A&E follows it's heart and stops filming new episodes with Phil Robertson.
    Holy ****!
    Follows it heart?
    If it was following any heart, it would be doing the right thing and not suspending him of a false allegation.
    Not that a network has a heart to begin with.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, it is his/your/some people's opinion that it is a sin based on what he/you/some people believe. You may see proof but I do not.
    Your inability to follow is ...
    "It is a religious belief that was handed down supposedly from G_d. I can proof that is what is believed."
    Do you really not understand that statement?

    Which continues with the following.

    He spoke about what was sinful under such belief.
    The point is that you can not prove it untrue which means you can not say it is bigoted.
    Especially as saying something is a sin is not a bigoted comment.

    Do you really not understand that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He spoke about his views about sin, even though it is not up to him to judge others.
    Stating what are sins is not judging anybody.
    Do you really not know the difference?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You may think that I am bigoted, that is your right to do so but please don't expect me to agree with that because you will have to wait forever for that to happen.
    I would never expect a bigot to agree with me.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are not paying attention.
    Most likely it is on purpose.
    It is a fact, that in the bible homosexuality is a sin and that info come s from G_d.
    YOu can not change that.
    Belief in that religion, and stating that it is a sin, does not make one a bigot
    I am paying attention, I just disagree with you.

    That some books writes that something is a sin is not my problem. That people believe in it is their right, my right is to not believe what is said in this book.

    Just pointing to the bible and claiming it is gospel just because somebody believes in it is not my problem.

    And yes, the statements he made (here and in the past and about racism) do make him having bigoted opinions. There is no law against that, but claiming someone cannot have bigoted opinions because his opinions are based on a book he beliefs in does not mean that he is not a bigot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He was asked what he thought was sinful. Stating what is sinful is not passing judgement on anybody.
    Pretty sure that proclaiming something is a sin is passing judgement on someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
    Well, you can repeat that until you are blue in the face but all you are doing is repeat yourself and all I am going to do is repeat myself. You are of the opinion that I am wrong and I am of the opinion that I am right. The problem is that you think your opinion is fact and my opinion is not factual and that is not correct IMHO.

    I think it is time to agree to disagree that we will never see eye to eye on this issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You have no ****en clue to even speak such about his personal experience.
    His personal experience can neither be stupid or ludicrous.
    Those are your own biased, bigoted, ridiculous thoughts.
    Well, all I am saying is that he is either very unaware of reality (because it is proven that the reality of the blacks is incredibly different from his fantasy view of how happy blacks were singing in the fields etc.) or that he is looking at the plight of the black people in the Southern United States through rose colored glasses with really thick glasses.

    You can find me bigoted but the only thing I find ridiculous and biased are his recollections about blacks in the South.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again, you have no ****en clue to even speak such about his personal experience.
    I am sorry, but:

    I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. may be his personal experience but one would hope that in the decades after that he might have realized that this was not the reality of how blacks lived in the South.

    They’re singing and happy. really? They were singing and thus happy. We know for a fact that blacks were not happy in the South. How out of touch with reality do you have to be to make such a comment.

    I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Really? Do you think a lot of black people disrespected whites in front of other whites or to the face of other whites? They knew the consequences of disrespecting the whites in the South. In that day in age you were presumed guilty when you were black and virtually convicted when arrested. Again, he might remember it like that but his reality and the actual reality seem to be at odds with one another.

    Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.” Again, really? No blues in the good old South? Where do you think blues comes from.

    Again, he might remember it like that but it is very very very much at odds with the plight of blacks in the Southern United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wow! you limit your self to a facebook posting?
    How absurd. It isn't just facebook, or the replies made at the published articles, or the drop in viewers, but the total combined.
    The support for him is overshadowing any gay supporters.
    Yes, you have a very strong opinion but as said, only 45% agree with his statements to begin with. I also am of the opinion he is legally allowed to make his statement and to think it is a sin, but it is the right of A&E to disagree with that. It is also the right of A&E to act on their dislike of Robertson's words in GQ.

    The support for him is not overshadowing any gay supporters because not even half of the US agrees with him that it is a sin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it isn't enough if it is based on false information as reported. They can not support what they did under such false pretense.
    They just don't get to flip the script and say we didn't suspend you for this as we said, but it was actually for something else.
    That would put them even more into the wrong.
    You can have that opinion, A&E has another opinion and once again, you can repeat your opinion and I can repeat my opinion and it will lead to nothing.

    I think agreeing to disagree is the most logical step forward IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Holy ****!
    Follows it heart?
    If it was following any heart, it would be doing the right thing and not suspending him of a false allegation.
    Not that a network has a heart to begin with.
    It is the point of view of A&E that it cannot accept his comments in GQ than that is up to them and only them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your inability to follow is ...
    "It is a religious belief that was handed down supposedly from G_d. I can proof that is what is believed."
    Do you really not understand that statement?

    I follow you fine, I just disagree with you. It seems you are unwilling or unable to understand that.

    Which continues with the following.

    He spoke about what was sinful under such belief.
    The point is that you can not prove it untrue which means you can not say it is bigoted.
    Especially as saying something is a sin is not a bigoted comment.

    Do you really not understand that?
    I follow you fine, I just disagree with you. It seems you are unwilling or unable to understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Stating what are sins is not judging anybody.
    Do you really not know the difference?
    Again, you have your opinion and I have mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I would never expect a bigot to agree with me.
    Yeah, pretty sure you would say that but I know I am not a bigot. I just disagree with Robertson and am not afraid to voice that opinion.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
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    Disney is a corporate juggernaut. I doubt the anti-gay side could make a dent. Also, Disney has already faced criticism from them for their longtime supporters of LGBT rights.
    Disney is a media company that probably does not want to get embroiled in a public dispute with a large segment of America. All they have to do is miss a quarterly earnings report by a couple of pennies and it will cost execs there to lose millions on their options.

    How much deprivation would it be to buy one less Disney DVD or go to a movie.

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Disney is a media company that probably does not want to get embroiled in a public dispute with a large segment of America. All they have to do is miss a quarterly earnings report by a couple of pennies and it will cost execs there to lose millions on their options.

    How much deprivation would it be to buy one less Disney DVD or go to a movie.
    Disney offers the same sex couples weddings at their resorts, and has gay-themed events and cruises and publicly supported the repeal of DOMA. They aren't afraid to be loud about their support. After all this large segment of America is a group that is primarily made up of people who are mostly 65+. Even in states like Alabama and Mississippi the youth whole-heatedly support letting LGBTs have rights and freedoms, and in ten years both states will become majorly supportive simply due to the passing on of their elders.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Disney offers the same sex couples weddings at their resorts, and has gay-themed events and cruises and publicly supported the repeal of DOMA. They aren't afraid to be loud about their support. After all this large segment of America is a group that is primarily made up of people who are mostly 65+. Even in states like Alabama and Mississippi the youth whole-heatedly support letting LGBTs have rights and freedoms, and in ten years both states will become majorly supportive simply due to the passing on of their elders.

    I am not sure that this is about whether what he said was right or wrong. More about does someone have the right to say it. I guess for me he would cross the line if what he said is interpreted as hate speech against any group. Might just be that the group that called for this went a bit overboard in their sensitivity.

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    So a million bigots out there. Nothing to be proud of.

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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Would it not be more effective to boycott Disney, owner of A&E.
    What the other guy said in Post #182.
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    Re: 'boycott a&e' facebook support page for phil robertson gets over 1m likes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    What the other guy said in Post #182.
    So you think it has more impact to boycott A&E?

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