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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    I don't think it's a bad idea to have kids work. It is a great learning experience. I got my first legit job when I was 8 years old. I quickly learned about taxes when I saw the government deduct them from my paycheck. And it made me ask adult questions such as "what is social security?" and "why don't we get paid at least the minimum wage?"

    We organized a sit-in strike when I was 10 and the result was that even though we couldn't reach an amicable agreement with the city and there was real violence when they tried to replace us with scabs, we still ended up making significantly more money doing the same job because our services were needed regardless of whether it was the city paying us or not.

    That was a life lesson that no grade school can teach you.

    I don't mind them having the kids work at the school, but they shouldn't be able to get away with paying them with a crappy and unhealthy school lunch from the company store. They should pay them prevailing wage and let the kids buy whatever they want with it, including ordering a pizza delivery or whatever.

    You would see those bull**** school lunches get unpopular very quickly.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    Work hours can be arranged, I'm sure.
    So... what you're saying is that even if the parents work but can't afford the lunch, the kid still should work for the food?
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Doesn't make taking from others to buy the votes of the poor in any way the right thing to do.
    If the poor wasn't such an enormous group of people, buying the votes would be negligible.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    It's not like it's the only thing lefties will steel from one to buy votes from another.
    Right, because there are no poor conservative parents.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not against giving older kids the opportunity to earn money at school. I remember we used to get paid to clean the gym after games. I am against a guy that at minimum came out of an upper middle class childhood saying that kids should have to work for the free lunch program as if its some 2nd graders fault his parents are poor. His implication of course is that if we allow a poor kid to get a free lunch at school, it will lead to a lifetime of laziness.
    The point of the exercise is not to earn money but to teach that nothing is for free, and the expectation should be individuals need to provide effort to gain something - even if it's in the form of assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There's not much wrong with teaching them the value of hard work. There is something wrong with teaching a child that because of his or her parent's financial situation, he/she gets to do manual labor for the school food essentially handed to his or her classmates by their parents without nearly as much thought.
    Then use the idea that you see as flawed, and modify it so the child is still taught the value of hard work without what you see as a punishment to the child for the parents financial situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    OMG! Teach a can to earn something we can just take from others and hand out instead? I can see why liberals are in a dither....it goes against their principle value of taking from someone else and handing out for nothing!
    The issue here is, 30-40 years ago this would be a very good lesson and would be embraced by most as a good learning experience to take into adulthood. But today, the direct opposite is actually true. There is no incentive in some areas of the country to work hard when government assistance (federal and state) can provide and does provide enough to exist. As was shown in a recent Washington Post article (and another thread) there are generations of people, families, who have made bad life decisions who live off the welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, etc... in areas where they cannot get an education to lift themselves from that poverty, where they cannot get a job that allows them to move from such depressing surroundings. When government pushes welfare as an alternative lifestyle and a % of the population become dependent on that lifestyle and pass it on to other generations, the lesson of hard work is lost. Politically, the dependent must continue to be dependent, as politicians threaten these repressed people telling them if they don't vote for him/her, their opponent will take away their assistance. Depressed and despondent, what option to these people have but to continue to exist?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So... what you're saying is that even if the parents work but can't afford the lunch, the kid still should work for the food?
    Perhaps you should read all of my posts. I've moved on.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    I love how some CONs tut-tut about TANSTAAFL and claim how 'hard' they worked so early in life and how they are teaching their kids to work.

    As far as I could tell growing up that meant finally getting up and taking the trash out after Mom asked several times and possibly making the bed a few times a week 'qualified' the kid for an allowance.

    But a poor kid must work outside the home in order to learn TANSTAAFL, because the tut-tutters think they are not learning that at home. I'd opine the tut-tutters have no knowledge of what goes on in homes that qualify for free lunches. (and way over credit the chores done at home for being able to take advantage of the opportunities presented to them that most likely were out of reach for many poorer kids)

    As far as I can tell at no time has a kid from a poor backround gotten off from multiple murders due to not being taught TANSTAAFL but didn't we JUST have a kid from a very rich family just get away with multiple murder for that very reason???

    I'd say the focus on school lunches as the indicator is small minded and bigoted. Those deprived rich kids need to learn TANSTAAFL as much as any poor kid.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    My dad had a great story growing up. He was about 12 and it was a Saturday morning. His dad made him wake up, and after putting on his only pair of jeans and his only long sleeve shirt he walked into the living room where his dad held a fishing pole and a shotgun. You can go catch a salmon in the river, he said thrusting forward the pole, or go shoot a goose pushing out the shotgun. Either way you want to eat -you chose.

    I had it much easier. At 12 I just got up at 5 AM and gathered eggs from the 60k bird ranch till 8 AM, showered, went to school, and back at 3 PM I went back to collecting / gathering eggs till 7 PM. Weekends were a tad easier.


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I love how some CONs tut-tut about TANSTAAFL and claim how 'hard' they worked so early in life and how they are teaching their kids to work.

    As far as I could tell growing up that meant finally getting up and taking the trash out after Mom asked several times and possibly making the bed a few times a week 'qualified' the kid for an allowance.

    But a poor kid must work outside the home in order to learn TANSTAAFL, because the tut-tutters think they are not learning that at home. I'd opine the tut-tutters have no knowledge of what goes on in homes that qualify for free lunches. (and way over credit the chores done at home for being able to take advantage of the opportunities presented to them that most likely were out of reach for many poorer kids)

    As far as I can tell at no time has a kid from a poor backround gotten off from multiple murders due to not being taught TANSTAAFL but didn't we JUST have a kid from a very rich family just get away with multiple murder for that very reason???

    I'd say the focus on school lunches as the indicator is small minded and bigoted. Those deprived rich kids need to learn TANSTAAFL as much as any poor kid.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    My dad had a great story growing up. He was about 12 and it was a Saturday morning. His dad made him wake up, and after putting on his only pair of jeans and his only long sleeve shirt he walked into the living room where his dad held a fishing pole and a shotgun. You can go catch a salmon in the river, he said thrusting forward the pole, or go shoot a goose pushing out the shotgun. Either way you want to eat -you chose. I had it much easier. At 12 I just got up at 5 AM and gathered eggs from the 60k bird ranch till 8 AM, showered, went to school, and back at 3 PM I went back to collecting / gathering eggs till 7 PM. Weekends were a tad easier.
    And that applies to city folks and suburbia how????

    When I was old enough to push in the clutch on an old International tractor I was in that seat. I cut my boot and foot wide open on the sickle mower- 32 stitches and four days later I was back cutting hay and my Dad's only words- be more careful.

    Our Daughter had chores like feeding the animals before the rural school bus got there and more when she got home- no allowance- it is just what farm kids did....

    But tell me how does that figure into what suburban kids do for 'work' and being taught TANSTAAFL????

    They ain't feeding or collecting, cutting or hunting....

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    And gee where are the biggest problems in society - rural or suburbia? Hmm and one has to work hard and one just wants from the other? Shocking.


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And that applies to city folks and suburbia how????

    When I was old enough to push in the clutch on an old International tractor I was in that seat. I cut my boot and foot wide open on the sickle mower- 32 stitches and four days later I was back cutting hay and my Dad's only words- be more careful.

    Our Daughter had chores like feeding the animals before the rural school bus got there and more when she got home- no allowance- it is just what farm kids did....

    But tell me how does that figure into what suburban kids do for 'work' and being taught TANSTAAFL????

    They ain't feeding or collecting, cutting or hunting....

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