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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Poor people do not need folks like you lecturing them about providing for their kids. They generally do what they can, and those that do not do all that they can will still have their kids fed regardless. We provide free and reduced lunches for a reason, boyo.

    We don't need an Ayn Randian universe in the school system.
    Oh, I'm not lecturing the poor folks. Why would you think I am?
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Despite being a fiscal conservative I honestly doubt the school lunch program is going to bust the budget. Philosophically I believe it is a tenth amendment issue and thus should be run at the state level. However in the meantime Republicans spend too much time talking about these rinky dink little issues. In the end if you got rid of everything except entitlements and the military we would still be deep in the gutter. That includes PBS and NPR, and while I don't think government should fund television and radio, too much of a focus is on this stuff. As for school lunches it is one of a few government programs I don't mind paying for.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Durin View Post
    Despite being a fiscal conservative I honestly doubt the school lunch program is going to bust the budget. Philosophically I believe it is a tenth amendment issue and thus should be run at the state level. However in the meantime Republicans spend too much time talking about these rinky dink little issues. In the end if you got rid of everything except entitlements and the military we would still be deep in the gutter. That includes PBS and NPR, and while I don't think government should fund television and radio, too much of a focus is on this stuff. As for school lunches it is one of a few government programs I don't mind paying for.
    The issue here isn't whether anyone minds paying for this program...rather, whether the recipients should be required to give something of themselves to get the benefits of this program.

    I think they should.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I'm not lecturing the poor folks. Why would you think I am?
    These folks often have multiple jobs already, and have much of their day tied up as it is, and up comes along some busybody like you starts with the presumption that these folks have no conception of how to provide for their families-even though they are doing just that (just not being compensated enough to completely do so). It's a lecture without many grounds to stand on.

    To me it comes off as lecturing because you seem to just spout this stuff off without really thinking about the big picture of what this would end up doing to individual families, schools, or entire school districts. When a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch programs, and those folks are essentially forced to work for the state, you're only seeing the poor families, the poor schools, and the poor school districts having these labor conditions. Meanwhile in white middle class suburbia, the leisure class has no such obligations.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    We don't have money to give poor kids lunch at school? Here's an idea: fire the janitor staff and put the least productive congress in history to work. Force those entitled parasites to do an honest days work for once in their life.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    These folks often have multiple jobs already, and have much of their day tied up as it is, and up comes along some busybody like you starts with the presumption that these folks have no conception of how to provide for their families-even though they are doing just that (just not being compensated enough to completely do so). It's a lecture without many grounds to stand on.

    To me it comes off as lecturing because you seem to just spout this stuff off without really thinking about the big picture of what this would end up doing to individual families, schools, or entire school districts. When a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch programs, and those folks are essentially forced to work for the state, you're only seeing the poor families, the poor schools, and the poor school districts having these labor conditions. Meanwhile in white middle class suburbia, the leisure class has no such obligations.
    My, my...but you are making a lot of assumptions about what I think...assumptions that are not supported by anything I've said.

    All I've said is that I think people who receive government help in feeding their kids should give something back in return.

    btw, those middle class? The ones who have no obligations? THEY are the ones providing the money to feed those kids. Sounds to me like they are doing THEIR part.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

    Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.
    The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.
    Hmmm...

    I'm wondering who you consider "privileged". A university professor who spent a lot of time, effort and money to get to his position? Or maybe you think a person who worked hard to become a Representative of the people is privileged?

    And, even if they are privileged, don't you think it's a good thing if those who receive benefits...thanks to the privileged...should give something back? Or is it enough that they stand in line with their hand out?
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    These folks often have multiple jobs already, and have much of their day tied up as it is, and up comes along some busybody like you starts with the presumption that these folks have no conception of how to provide for their families-even though they are doing just that (just not being compensated enough to completely do so). It's a lecture without many grounds to stand on.

    To me it comes off as lecturing because you seem to just spout this stuff off without really thinking about the big picture of what this would end up doing to individual families, schools, or entire school districts. When a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch programs, and those folks are essentially forced to work for the state, you're only seeing the poor families, the poor schools, and the poor school districts having these labor conditions. Meanwhile in white middle class suburbia, the leisure class has no such obligations.
    Lets just take a guess who is doing the lecturing here. YOU.

    The idea is if you cannot afford kids, maybe you should rethink, regroup, retool until you can. The idea of government supplying everything in place of that of the parent is rather a scary prospect. Parents SHOULD BE WILLING to do whatever is necessary to feed and house the kids they have. Mycroft is absolutely right, its not the fault of the children but totally the responsibility of the parent to assure that their children are fed... and if a school provides for this opportunity, they should be more than willing. If not, someone from the state should probably be looking into what other problems that may be occurring in this household where intervention might be necessary. Its ridiculous to burden your neighbors just because you want to have kids and cannot be bothered with the responsibility of their actual care. And...this whole idea of anybody not being "compensated enough to completely do so" is silliness. What you are paid is based upon what value your services are actually worth, not upon how much pay folks have obligated themselves to having... that is not the fault of the employer, nor your neighbor, nor the state.

    There is no way that, as you put it "a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch", this should ever be the case in a country as free and prosperous as this one most certainly is. Sorry. And the whole distractor of the whiteness aspect you bring up, middle-class or not, comes close if not actually being, well, to put it politely, an interjection of race that is simply unnecessary, being not at all germane, demeans minorities and the issue itself.

    If you feel so passionate about this issue, as you seem to, establish a fund where you can voluntarily give to assist these programs that you think don't affect the overall atmosphere of too many Americans relying upon expected hand outs. Remember, don't you, the "big picture"? Pulling the victim "Oh, woe is me!" thing is not an argument. Yours is the argument without any grounds to stand on... or any legs to stand on...take your pick.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.
    What should be adjudged as being privileged is being born or currently living in America...that is hitting the planetary jackpot... what you do with that win is more up to the individual.

    Look to other countries where being underprivileged actually means something.
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