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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    An inconvenient truth that's difficult to take..As I read from those like you, I'm sure glad I'm retired..And I pray for the current kids and their teachers .
    I hire personal instructors specialized in a particular subject. Its makes a huge difference in performance, and retention. People who enjoy what ever subject they specialize in tend to spread their enthusiasm which helps in learning.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

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    Licensing and training is only as good the licensing process and training course. There are night and day differences between various courses and licensing procedures of all sorts of professions including the teaching profession. Just because one is licensed or took a course doesn't make them competent to instruct others. By the way I used to be an driving instructor. A very good one IMHO. If you want to learn take a vehicle to its absolute limits you come to the likes of me.
    Granted, however, if you are comparing guy without any experience whatsoever besides being the "consumer" vs. he/she who actually taught, which would probably seem a great deal more likely to carry any weight (especially on a comment like this on homework)?
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I just responded to Mycroft with my brilliant strategy. So, has this been useful to you, did your kids gain the extra lessons?

    Money management is a very important skill (IMHO).
    It works well, with the carrot AND stick approach. There has to be a corresponding negative pressure to further help motivate. The negative pressure I exert is rent and tax. Used in combination with opportunities to earn quite effective. It also forces them to excel so they can save so they can get what they want or do what they want to. I keep the levels of rent and tax such that by doing their chores and earning a 70% average in their grades they break even. If they want the video game or the fashion accessory or some nice clothes then they have to step up their earning and save. Their birthday and Christmas presents are usually clothes and a small trinket. Toys they buy. At least after they are about 10.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Granted, however, if you are comparing guy without any experience whatsoever besides being the "consumer" vs. he/she who actually taught, which would probably seem a great deal more likely to carry any weight (especially on a comment like this on homework)?
    Weight wise I would tend to an instructor unless they obviously incompetent. I would listen to a "consumer" if it seemed compeling enough. It would depend largely on their practical experience. I have had guys and gals come in from farms or the military or were hot-rodder's who were already quite skilled in the basics of driving and all I had to do was teach the more advanced and sophisticated lessons and teach the underlying theory behind the skill sets, both of which they seemed to pick up much faster by and large. The slow part was just correcting habits they came in with. I have had people come into my classroom and teach me a thing or two about specific maneuvers or some theory on mechanical issues. Rarely but still I have had that happen. I used them as a way to add to my knowledge base. So really its a combination of instructor skill and knowledge vs. the practical skill and knowledge the student has. Background is important. I would say probability dictates the instructor would most likely be correct a majority of the time. I would say that somebody who is related or worked as an assistant or some other close affiliation to a instructor probably will have greater knowledge of the subject of instruction than the common layperson. If you are student long enough you will have a grasp on instruction though osmosis.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    As a general policy for public schools, I support such things (all students doing classrooms choirs). I also support a national service requirement in adulthood. Rather odd considering that I tend to lean towards libertarian viewpoints in general. But I think it instills pride and a personal stake into the institutions under question

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As a general policy for public schools, I support such things (all students doing classrooms choirs). I also support a national service requirement in adulthood. Rather odd considering that I tend to lean towards libertarian viewpoints in general. But I think it instills pride and a personal stake into the institutions under question
    When you make such things a "requirement", that's where you are going wrong. Pride and a personal stake in an institution isn't something that can be instilled into a person by force.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The thing is that the school day schedule is already so full. There's not time for a class on floor sweeping.
    Have you ever seen the kind of cleaning job that an eight year does?
    What is proposed is huge waste of everyone's time which has no real chance of creating any sort of a benefit.
    It's a blunder.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    it is not hard to see three generations that live or lived in the projects or other types of government housing
    How often to you go to government housing, like the projects and see this? I just don't see you going within a 5 mile radius of one yet you say you see it.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    And shaming a 2nd or 3rd grader by having them sweep a floor in front of their friends is not going to fix that. It is not the kids fault that they are poor or that their parents may have not made the best of decisions in life. They are just there to go to school so that the hopefully get a good education and do better themselves.



    I agree, but it doesn't fix that by shaming their kids.



    Of course, but the kid that comes from an upper middle class family has no idea what its like to be truly poor yet someone feels like they should pass blanket judgment on them. For example, I grew up quite poor. My kids grow up in an what would be considered demographically an upper middle class home. I am certainly happy that they get a lot more opportunities than I had when I was their age because of that. However, they have no idea what its like to be poor. It's a "free lunch" to them because they show up at school and the lunch money way pay for is in their account. I hope they all grow up to be successful. I also hope they do not grow up as sanctimonious as this congressman is.

    I am all for teaching kids the value of hard work. I just think what the congressman is proposing is a despicable way of doing so. If you don't think most kids living in poverty don't know the value of a dollar, then you don't know anything about being poor.
    I never found anything where the Congressman suggested an age as you did stating 2nd-3rd graders. I didn't see anything that stated it had to be during school hours in front of their classmates either. Truth be in some of these school districts where welfare has become a way of life for the community, the majority of the kids are on subsidized lunch programs. I did find where he stated instead of subsidizing the entire lunch, at least having the child pay something....a dime....so that he learns the lunch wasn't free. Today most schools not only provide a free lunch but they provide breakfast too. And add to that they have after school programs which amount to babysitting services till the parents can pick the kids up from school. All these programs come with a price tag. I pay through real estate taxes. My property taxes make up almost half of the total of my house payment. The one living in subsidized housing doesn't pay a dime. It is because of all these welfare programs that people are being taught that there is no personal responsibility for their life choices because government will provide. They take away the incentive of many not to strive to be all they can. This cycle of taught dependency promoted by the government has to be stopped.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You hit the nail on the head with that. When you grow up poor, the last thing you want is for your friends to know you are poor. At least with me, that is why I was always looking to make money anyway I could. Mow lawns, haul hay, anything I could do to make some money for myself before I was old enough to get an actual job. I wanted the money so I could have the things that my friends had. That said, I don't think further shaming kids like this guy is basically saying we should do is the best way to teach kids a work ethic.
    Since when was work shameful? Frankly, I think all the kids should have to help clean up the school, not just the ones getting a free lunch.

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