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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

    Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.
    What's wrong? Afraid these kids might learn how to work?...not get on welfare?...Libbos lose some votes?

    That would be horrible!
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If he had suggested this for the parents, I would have agreed...
    What, work in exchange for benefits received? "Why I nevah! ," to quote Foghorn Leghorn. ...

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Of course you don't. Make those little brats work for bread, right? You guys on the Far Right never cease to amuse.
    Another liberal with an extreme case of, "I don't understand what the hell you are saying, but it sounds bad, so I'll make a dumbass comment anyway", raises its ugly head.

    1. I didn't say any kids should work for their lunches. I said that kids learning the meaning of TANSTAAFL is a good thing.

    2. Further on in this thread, I said the parents should work for the "free" lunches, thereby teaching THEM about TANSTAAFL, as well.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Another liberal with an extreme case of, "I don't understand what the hell you are saying, but it sounds bad, so I'll make a dumbass comment anyway", raises its ugly head.

    1. I didn't say any kids should work for their lunches. I said that kids learning the meaning of TANSTAAFL is a good thing.

    2. Further on in this thread, I said the parents should work for the "free" lunches, thereby teaching THEM about TANSTAAFL, as well.
    Maybe it could be based on grades instead of money. Lowest grade cleans the latrine. Bet that would raise some educational scores.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's exactly how my elementary school was run. In the 6th grade they asked for volunteers to sign up for cafeteria duty and patrol duty. I always volunteered. The week I worked in the cafeteria, I got my lunch free. I had to collect milk money from packers, collect trays, load and unload those massive industrial dishwashers and sweep floors. There was a certain amount of pride knowing I truly earned my lunch that week.
    In seventh grade, two of my friends and I learned that the school cafeteria would let us eat for free in exchange for doing a certain amount of kitchen duty. We quite enjoyed it. It was a great opportunity for us to let off some steam, learn the value of work, and just hang out (while working) for a little while.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

    Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.
    What you fail to realize today we have 70% of all black babies being born to single mothers, 50% of all Hispanic babies being born to single mothers, and 30% of all white babies being born to single mothers. The MAJORITY of all these women now rely on the welfare system to provide for their children. They see Uncle Sam as their sugar daddy. We the People have made it more lucrative in welfare for the single mom than two parents working at median income trying to raise a couple of kids without handouts.

    We have a dropout rate in this country that is just alarming. These young adults sometimes aren't even qualified to flip hamburgers at a fastfood joints yet start families.

    The talk about the rich versus poor in your comments and others in this thread are unfair. Anyone who is rich is someone who has more that you. The man/woman who spends several years achieveing a degree will obviously make more money than the one that couldn't finish high school.

    The couple that put his/her lives on hold to have a family until they could afford it is going to be more financially prepared than the one who decided to become a single parent mother. Sure there are other scenarios that come into play where people because of no wrong of their own find themselves in need. But the majority that we are dealing with today who solely rely on welfare are single moms. They make up the majority of those who are classified as poor in this country.

    Now these kids early on are taught that other folks are "suppose" to take care of them. Those with more are "suppose" to provide for them even though they invested time, money and hard work in his/herself and his mama didn't. Who better needs to learn a life lesson of personal responsibility? The one that makes more in income because he/she made all the right choices or the one that doesn't understand what personal responsibility means?

    If someone can come up with programs to teach these kids there is no such thing as a free lunch because someone has to pay for them, would benefit society greatly.
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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Maybe it could be based on grades instead of money. Lowest grade cleans the latrine. Bet that would raise some educational scores.

    Heinlein fan, are we? He was my POE to Science Fiction. Podykane, how I've dreamed about that girl.....
    I don't agree. I'll stick with having the parents work for the free lunches. The kids aren't really responsible for the situation their parents put their families in.

    Having said that, I think giving kids the opportunity to learn about TANSTAAFL is a good thing. Just don't tie it to something that's not their fault.


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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    I would be I favor of having these poor children's parents be the ones cleaning up the school so their children can eat free. Maybe then they will get a job and care for their own children without always needing a handout.

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

    Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.
    This seems a little........ I dunno, degrading to me.

    I'm all for community service in exchange for things like college grants, but maybe we could do this in a way that doesn't embarrass kids in front of their peers?

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    Re: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What you fail to realize today we have 70% of all black babies being born to single mothers, 50% of all Hispanic babies being born to single mothers, and 30% of all white babies being born to single mothers. The MAJORITY of all these women now rely on the welfare system to provide for their children. They see Uncle Sam as their sugar daddy. We the People have made it more lucrative in welfare for the single mom than two parents working at median income trying to raise a couple of kids without handouts.
    And shaming a 2nd or 3rd grader by having them sweep a floor in front of their friends is not going to fix that. It is not the kids fault that they are poor or that their parents may have not made the best of decisions in life. They are just there to go to school so that the hopefully get a good education and do better themselves.

    We have a dropout rate in this country that is just alarming. These young adults sometimes aren't even qualified to flip hamburgers at a fastfood joints yet start families.
    I agree, but it doesn't fix that by shaming their kids.

    The talk about the rich versus poor in your comments and others in this thread are unfair. Anyone who is rich is someone who has more that you. The man/woman who spends several years achieveing a degree will obviously make more money than the one that couldn't finish high school.
    Of course, but the kid that comes from an upper middle class family has no idea what its like to be truly poor yet someone feels like they should pass blanket judgment on them. For example, I grew up quite poor. My kids grow up in an what would be considered demographically an upper middle class home. I am certainly happy that they get a lot more opportunities than I had when I was their age because of that. However, they have no idea what its like to be poor. It's a "free lunch" to them because they show up at school and the lunch money way pay for is in their account. I hope they all grow up to be successful. I also hope they do not grow up as sanctimonious as this congressman is.

    I am all for teaching kids the value of hard work. I just think what the congressman is proposing is a despicable way of doing so. If you don't think most kids living in poverty don't know the value of a dollar, then you don't know anything about being poor.
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