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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I live in Oklahoma- who told you that? It is perfectly legal to catch rainwater for use around the residence in SW Oklahoma, the City of Lawton just finished a rain barrel campaign. Farmers and ranchers have been encouraged to dig more ponds to hold run-off on their lands- some paid for with tax payer money.
    I got it from my local paper.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Saw this elsewhere and like there it lacks details. It's certain to rile many as written, but without all the facts it's rhetorical to judge. For example it is my understanding she doesn't use city water but collects rain water which I do as well where I live now. However I don't live near any city and she is in one or so I'm told. So when there is a fire at her house, and her rain water is insufficient to put it out and the fire truck opens up a hydrant....she should not have paid for the water lines and all?
    The fire hydrants aren't connected to her house and their installation and maintenance are paid for by her taxes, not water bills.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I will give her this, she is pretty tough living in that house pictured with no electricity and thus no AC in Florida. I have always thought it would be cool living off the grid, or having an off the grid weekend cabin, but it sure would not be in Florida or the deep south.
    She's got electricity - solar panels.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If one is living off the grid, so to speak, then one cannot live on it while doing so.

    The article does say that the code enforcement people didn't enter her home; she'll get her day in court. If she simply chooses not to use city water, I'd support her right to that. Many people don't drink tap water. If she has functioning plumbing in her home, I'd support her right to do as she chooses. And the town, if they think she's guilty of theft of services for using the sewer system, had better change the way it charges for it. Same for water service. One should not be able to simply shut off their water and avoid paying for the infrastructure. (Our town, for instances, charges sewer usage by a formula taking into account water usage.)

    If she's pooping in buckets and throwing it in the backyard? She loses. Outside of that sanitary/safety concern, I think she has a right to live as she chooses. I think a judge will probably agree with her.
    That last point first, there are composting toilets (legal in every jurisdiction), and incinerating toilets that run on either electricity or propane (also legal in every jurisdiction). And I disagree, one should be able to refuse any city or town services they can provide themselves. Anything less is the total antithesis of America.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    If you live in a rural area you probably can get away with it.
    No, Oklahoma is the last frontier. You'd be surprised the things that are still allowed here.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I got it from my local paper.
    Not exactly telling me where you got it, name of the paper and a rough date would be nice... Like I said Lawton had a rain barrel decorating contest. Tax dollars are helping ranchers dig deeper/more catch ponds for cattle. Very curious what part of the Dustbowl state forbids catching rain water...

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That last point first, there are composting toilets (legal in every jurisdiction), and incinerating toilets that run on either electricity or propane (also legal in every jurisdiction). And I disagree, one should be able to refuse any city or town services they can provide themselves. Anything less is the total antithesis of America.
    I don't disagree much. I think, if one has zero water usage, the building department should have the right to inspect one's facilities to make sure they aren't posing a hazard to others. Sewage particularly. Where I disagree is that one should be responsible for in-place infrastructure. A minimum charge, so to speak, for the very fact that these services run to your home.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    There are parts of the country where that may be true, in my part its not. Are you saying the water pressure thru the fire hydrants comes from a totally seperate water system in FL? Ours in CA come through the same system, and without water pressure no fire fighting.

    And what of sewage? Sure she could have a septic or a leach field (I do) but my parcel is quite large; in a city in CA they'd never let anyone "not" hook up to the city sewer system inside a city. Now there were some old homes that had septic before sewer lines were in place, but most of them are encouraged to tie on too in due time; such underground uses can negatively effect water qualities for a municipal water supply.

    I'm not opposed to living off grid - I do it - but I do it outside a municipality (in fact not even close) not in one.


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The fire hydrants aren't connected to her house and their installation and maintenance are paid for by her taxes, not water bills.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Lots of people in the desert do this. They have huge underground cisterns to store the captured rain water. This is complete BS and the lady should have shot it out with these jack boot thugs.
    The first part of this reminds me of the book Dune. Those fremen in the desert gathered water underground in cisterns like you said. Not really on point, just fel like saying it :P

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    If I'm not mistaken, the issue more than anything else has to do with health/sanitation. Its assumed in 2013 people will use indoor plumbing when they have to go. Most people today have water and sewer services connected to their homes so when they flush, waste water is disposed of properly.

    I vaguely recall talking with a water service worker a while back who told me its a standard collections practice to threaten seriously delinquent customers with homelessness. The threat is if their water gets shut off, they will immediately notify the health department and their home will be condemned as a public health hazard prohibiting anyone from entering the residence until their account it made current.

    I think if she can show she has a cistern, rain collection system or deep water well and septic tank on her property or some other means of dealing with human waste, they should leave her alone. I'm sure this is done in communities all over America. Growing up I lived in such a house for a while and there were services that came out and will up the cistern with water and emptied out the septic tank when needed I but I think we might have had municipal services plumbed into the house as a back up if ever needed.
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