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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    I have no problem with requiring her to prove that she is disposing of her sewage and trash properly and not causing any other environmental problems with her practices. If she isn't causing harm she should be left alone.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Saw this elsewhere and like there it lacks details. It's certain to rile many as written, but without all the facts it's rhetorical to judge. For example it is my understanding she doesn't use city water but collects rain water which I do as well where I live now. However I don't live near any city and she is in one or so I'm told. So when there is a fire at her house, and her rain water is insufficient to put it out and the fire truck opens up a hydrant....she should not have paid for the water lines and all?
    Hydrants are public utility not generally private property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I think that you missed Maggie's point. Water/sewer are a single utility bill, yet the billing is based only on the water usage. The home is using the sewer service but is avoiding any bill for it by supplying their own water to flush the toilet (into the city sewer).
    If that is the case, the billing system can be adjusted so that she still pays for her (presumed) sewer system use.

    In some dryer locations it may be reasonable to limit the amount of rain water that one can divert for personal use since that could impact the ground water supply and other natural systems (creeks etc.) dependent on rain water.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    she will be assimilated.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Dude, I have lived here all my life. Get over the idea that Florida is going to be submerged in a few years. Bull.
    It's not my fault you've lived there all your life. You are as free to get the hell out as anyone else.

    There is much published scientific information, studies and projections on the internet. A number of the studies and projections are accepted by city and county governments. City and country planners and engineers and water management officials are well aware and have said so publicly. You obviously have read any of that or you are just so much smarter than people who study such things for a living.

    When insurance companies refused to provide reasonable building/housing insurance in those projected areas and when banks refuse to make long term loans on houses/buildings in those areas perhaps you'll be able to convince the money people they are all wrong and that you are correct. In the meantime the industry is betting against you.










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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I doubt it's that simple. If the town has habitability laws requiring running water, electrical service and sewer connection, they aren't going to re-write the laws for her. If she has such service, then, in my opinion, sans unsafe living conditions because she doesn't use them, she's good to go.

    A village can't force one to drink tap water...turn on lights...flush toilets. But they can force people to have access to these amenities; and, by virtue of their NOT using these things, they can enforce public safety concerns.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If that is the case, the billing system can be adjusted so that she still pays for her (presumed) sewer system use.

    In some dryer locations it may be reasonable to limit the amount of rain water that one can divert for personal use since that could impact the ground water supply and other natural systems (creeks etc.) dependent on rain water.
    No! I can tell you as a user of rain water and not a city tap (many of my neighbors as well) we are VERY frugal with our usage. This lady is too, I assure you, and her usage impacts the ground water supply far less than if she were to be tapped into the cities water and wasting water as we tend to do when it feels like there's an endless supply. She keeps close tabs on her cisterns capacity and adjusts her usage accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's not my fault you've lived there all your life. You are as free to get the hell out as anyone else.

    There is much published scientific information, studies and projections on the internet. A number of the studies and projections are accepted by city and county governments. City and country planners and engineers and water management officials are well aware and have said so publicly. You obviously have read any of that or you are just so much smarter than people who study such things for a living.

    When insurance companies refused to provide reasonable building/housing insurance in those projected areas and when banks refuse to make long term loans on houses/buildings in those areas perhaps you'll be able to convince the money people they are all wrong and that you are correct. In the meantime the industry is betting against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I view the electricity and gas and water and sewage lines like a source for mainline drugs for an addict. Get them addicted and charge what the traffic will bear. Property tax says the gov't owns your property and you just lease. It is the "tax system" and these people improve their lot by raising taxes (gov'ts and administrators). The worst part of this is that the utilities have become partners in this tax system to maintain their addictions or monopolies. Try selling electricity to your neighbor, or gas, etc. There has been an organized effort to block Renewable Energy for at least 30 years and nobody notices. Why do you think the 10 million dollar windmills are subsidized as renewable energy. It's because their output goes into the existing Monopolistic Utility Grid, or mainline addiction source, and everybody gets their share of the booty, except the taxpayer. Now, a little common sense will tell you why local level renewable energy, think small windmill or solar on local rooftops, is not funded by these huge gov't programs. To me, this situation in Florida is just a flagrant expose of the monopoly utility and tax problem. I think we all must look deeper to the gov't prevention of independence.
    General Electric wind turbines in the 3.1 megawatt class with standard blades were selling for 2 million a stick, heavy duty hubs and extended blades 2.5 million a stick these are installed prices minus and acquisition. You are correct though in that windmills are highly subsidized to the tune of about 50%. I used contract to move the nacelle covers and propeller hubs for GE.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I live in Oklahoma and have 6,000 gallons of cistern capacity and catch every drop of rain that comes off my roof and have done so for 16 years, with no water bill.
    If you live in a rural area you probably can get away with it.
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