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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right. You'd live in there without running water or electricity, just because its pretty. Btw. It looks better there than it ever did while Jefferson was occupying it. He never really finished the house because he was hugely in debt, having acquired 'expensive tastes' as a politician, particularly during his time spent in France. Our Florida women has superior hygiene and her house is cleaner than the one pictured, when that is, Jefferson was occupying it.
    The whole point is, we all lived like that in Jeffersons time. But now this woman proves it can be done again. Going against the new accepted norm. Don't go against the norm. The G will come visit.
    That is the lesson here.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The whole point is, we all lived like that in Jeffersons time. But now this woman proves it can be done again. Going against the new accepted norm. Don't go against the norm. The G will come visit.
    That is the lesson here.
    I've been trying to tell you I live like her now dude.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think some of us are saying that until the last hundred and twenty years or so, all of humanity lived like she did, except for having her electricity which would make her living conditions superior to that of our first 10 or so presidents living in the White House. If there are no specific ordinances forbidding one from collecting water, her attorney will handle this smoothly. If there are, then they need to be fought. And it can be done.
    I doubt it's that simple. If the town has habitability laws requiring running water, electrical service and sewer connection, they aren't going to re-write the laws for her. If she has such service, then, in my opinion, sans unsafe living conditions because she doesn't use them, she's good to go.

    A village can't force one to drink tap water...turn on lights...flush toilets. But they can force people to have access to these amenities; and, by virtue of their NOT using these things, they can enforce public safety concerns.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I live in Oklahoma and it is illegal to store the runoff from rain on ones house. It's considered interfering in the free flow of water that should be going down thru the streams and into the rivers. I think that this needs to be changed but that is the law as it is now.
    I live in Oklahoma- who told you that? It is perfectly legal to catch rainwater for use around the residence in SW Oklahoma, the City of Lawton just finished a rain barrel campaign. Farmers and ranchers have been encouraged to dig more ponds to hold run-off on their lands- some paid for with tax payer money.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    The fire department is covered by the property tax, but water lines are not.

    I should note I have an off grid home, and do not have city / county required services or even a grid tie in requirement. But please note this is also a LONG ways from any town in an extremely rural area. I also own a home in a city that I keep for when I work in town. This home gets its power from solar, but I still pay for utility connections. The utility company was required to install power lines to my home (in the city), they made an investment, and in return they were promised a connection charge from that property forever. It does not matter that I cut off using their juice. I also can't install a leach field or septic tank on my property in the city because it can effect water supplies in the area (again in the city) but this certainly isn't the case at my rural home. And what of garbage? I'm required to pay for garbage service at my home in the city even if I'm not there, but yet I am not in the rural location.

    You see how much information we don't have with this story? How old is her home? Was it built when individual wells and septic systems were allowed or not? Were city services extended to the property, and how are they paid for? The stories (two) that I've read about this case jump to conclusions without all the facts. At my rural location I would agree no services are necessary, no fees and no government required. At my city location, I knew when I bought it, that it came with city services that must be paid for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well this is Florida. So, how is the cost of fire departments covered in CA?

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I doubt it's that simple. If the town has habitability laws requiring running water, electrical service and sewer connection, they aren't going to re-write the laws for her. If she has such service, then, in my opinion, sans unsafe living conditions because she doesn't use them, she's good to go.

    A village can't force one to drink tap water...turn on lights...flush toilets. But they can force people to have access to these amenities; and, by virtue of their NOT using these things, they can enforce public safety concerns.
    She has water at her tap, she can turn on her lights and she can flush her toilets. I've agreed she needs to be billed for her sewage usage, nothing else is acceptable in America. (Old school America anyway) I realize that there is an evolution going on with our civil liberties at present.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    She has water at her tap, she can turn on her lights and she can flush her toilets. I've agreed she needs to be billed for her sewage usage, nothing else is acceptable in America. (Old school America anyway) I realize that there is an evolution going on with our civil liberties at present.
    If that's true (running water/toilets flush/electricity available), I agree with you. It's none of the town's business. Let them go police a hoarder house with 50 cats.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've been trying to tell you I live like her now dude.
    I view the electricity and gas and water and sewage lines like a source for mainline drugs for an addict. Get them addicted and charge what the traffic will bear. Property tax says the gov't owns your property and you just lease. It is the "tax system" and these people improve their lot by raising taxes (gov'ts and administrators). The worst part of this is that the utilities have become partners in this tax system to maintain their addictions or monopolies. Try selling electricity to your neighbor, or gas, etc. There has been an organized effort to block Renewable Energy for at least 30 years and nobody notices. Why do you think the 10 million dollar windmills are subsidized as renewable energy. It's because their output goes into the existing Monopolistic Utility Grid, or mainline addiction source, and everybody gets their share of the booty, except the taxpayer. Now, a little common sense will tell you why local level renewable energy, think small windmill or solar on local rooftops, is not funded by these huge gov't programs. To me, this situation in Florida is just a flagrant expose of the monopoly utility and tax problem. I think we all must look deeper to the gov't prevention of independence.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    It ironic when you think about. In about 15 years or probably less you won't be able to finance a 30 year home loan in south Florida. Miami and a portion of the land and coast north will be under sea water. That's not a maybe. It is growing struggle now to provide potable water in some areas.

    Coral Springs is down near Ft. Lauderdale, no where near where I'd want to live to begin with. If I did own a home there and if I wasn't planning on selling it and getting the hell out while I could I too would be looking to live off the grid. It's a wise move.

    In the desert in Arizona some people are beginning to find they have the same problem with living on the grid regarding electricity. In short, the power companies want to charge off grid fees that would almost negate the off grid homeowner power savings. A recent newspaper exposť traced the efforts back to energy companies owned by the Koch Brothers.










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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It ironic when you think about. In about 15 years or probably less you won't be able to finance a 30 year home loan in south Florida. Miami and a portion of the land and coast north will be under sea water. That's not a maybe. It is growing struggle now to provide potable water in some areas.

    Coral Springs is down near Ft. Lauderdale, no where near where I'd want to live to begin with. If I did own a home there and if I wasn't planning on selling it and getting the hell out while I could I too would be looking to live off the grid. It's a wise move.

    In the desert in Arizona some people are beginning to find they have the same problem with living on the grid regarding electricity. In short, the power companies want to charge off grid fees that would almost negate the off grid homeowner power savings. A recent newspaper exposť traced the efforts back to energy companies owned by the Koch Brothers.
    Over population is why potable water is hard to find. Not rising oceans.

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