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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You want me to show you a copy of my bill where water consumption and sewage are deliniated? Seriously? Will an online copy of someone else's suffice?

    Note: There is no "sewage meter" its called "Solid Waste Charges" and usually the total amount is $0.00 until the end of the year.
    You claimed that their was a separate sewer bill, independent of water usage. That is what I questioned. Yes - any example of a stand alone sewer usage bill will do.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To be honest, the whole assessment that Jefferson himself lived off the land is absolutely ridiculous. He had 200 slaves who ensured he was well fed, had water, had a clean house. Comparing that to what this lady is doing is nonsense. Jefferson had a small Midwest village working for him. This lady is just collecting water. I see no problem with that. Rain water is free. It's a bit dangerous to collect rainwater (mostly for pollution reasons) but it's her beef.
    It takes all of an hour to educate yourself on how to use rainwater, or how to install a filter.

    Also, hey at least Jefferson's slaves proved that they could live off the land.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Plenty of room on that roof for solar panels, a cell network node and plenty of property for wells and rainwater collection. But could you really live off the land, despite having all that square footage to go back to?
    Yea, easily.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm guessing every community has building/zoning laws that define habitability...running water most assuredly being one. Apparently, her decisions run amok of those laws in her community. If she doesn't want to abide by those laws, then she needs to move.

    I have no problem with what she's doing as long as she is safely getting rid of waste water. And, for her area, that undoubtedly means having a functioning sewer system. And that means paying one's fair share.
    I think some of us are saying that until the last hundred and twenty years or so, all of humanity lived like she did, except for having her electricity which would make her living conditions superior to that of our first 10 or so presidents living in the White House. If there are no specific ordinances forbidding one from collecting water, her attorney will handle this smoothly. If there are, then they need to be fought. And it can be done.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You claimed that their was a separate sewer bill, independent of water usage. That is what I questioned. Yes - any example of a stand alone sewer usage bill will do.
    See my last post. #28
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't care about this all that much... but just for reference, citing Jefferson as an "off the grid" person and then talking about his home ignores this:



    If that's living off the grid, sign me the **** up.
    Right. You'd live in there without running water or electricity, just because its pretty. Btw. It looks better there than it ever did while Jefferson was occupying it. He never really finished the house because he was hugely in debt, having acquired 'expensive tastes' as a politician, particularly during his time spent in France. Our Florida women has superior hygiene and her house is cleaner than the one pictured, when that is, Jefferson was occupying it.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Thank you. Missing from the link is what the sewer charge is based on. If it is based on water usage then it is simply two separate bills based on the same thing, if not then I assume that a vacant house would pay the same as an occupied house which is more akin to a sewer connection tax.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Also, rather than sewage should could also be using a composting toilet:
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    Unless there's new tech on this in the last several years (which there well could be) these require a pier and beam construction with crawl space to house the other bulky component. Her house looks to be slab.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To be honest, the whole assessment that Jefferson himself lived off the land is absolutely ridiculous. He had 200 slaves who ensured he was well fed, had water, had a clean house. Comparing that to what this lady is doing is nonsense. Jefferson had a small Midwest village working for him. This lady is just collecting water. I see no problem with that. Rain water is free. It's a bit dangerous to collect rainwater (mostly for pollution reasons) but it's her beef.
    The author of the op could have done us all a favor and began the story differently and we wouldn't be getting side tracked with Jefferson's 200 slaves.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Based on zero evidence, the claim could also be made that she is stealing cable. There is no reason to believe she does not receive a separate bill or does not pay her sewage portion, or doesn't own a composting toilet/outhouse; or is in any way violating any laws.

    I cannot argue against all these baseless claims.
    Easy buddy. You and I are in total agreement on this whole story. I live in a house I built myself that operates on solar electric, wood heat and cistern water. I APPROVE of what she's doing. But someone else brought up the sewer issue and I'm just agreeing that sense she lives in the city and her house connects to city sewer that "IF" she isn't billed for her usage separately, that it would be fair if she was. Do you have a problem with that?

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