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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't care about this all that much... but just for reference, citing Jefferson as an "off the grid" person and then talking about his home ignores this:



    If that's living off the grid, sign me the **** up.
    Plenty of room on that roof for solar panels, a cell network node and plenty of property for wells and rainwater collection. But could you really live off the land, despite having all that square footage to go back to?
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Most places in florida use a formula based on water consumption. so if you don't consume water then your sewage bill would be nothing as well.

    also most places in florida have laws on collecting rain water. it is usually considered a public resource, but in FL it is legal to collect it in rain barrels.
    although i probably shouldn't be used for consumption unless you have some kind of filtration system to run it through.

    also she isn't evicted yet a judge has to sign off on the order and there is an attorney that is helping her for no cost.
    local city government are getting out of control on their stupid code enforcement.

    as long as you are paying your taxes not harming someone else's property then it is your land to do with what you want.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Also, rather than sewage should could also be using a composting toilet:
    800px-Nature_Loo_Waterless_Composting_Toilet_Pedestal.jpg
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    First of all, they're not a single utility bill here, you see bills for separate amounts and there is no indication this lady isn't paying her sewage bill.

    Second of all, I don't believe I did. The majority of these bills are paid for in taxes anyway, water is a heavily subsidized utility. Americans would be shocked and certainly consume less if they had to pay the true price of water.

    Considering how much she pays in taxes and how little she uses, IMO she owes no one. In fact the fewer people using water the better for the infrastructure, especially given how many cities are experiencing water shortages.



    There is no indication that she is not paying her sewage bill. Running water doesn't have to come from a municipality, what laws do you believe she is breaking simply by not using theirs? How about people who use wells or tap their aquifers?


    That term refers to paying ones taxes, which she does, not for services that you pay for by the drop or wattage.
    Care to supply a link for that bold assertion? I have yet to see a sewer meter or bill. I have a septic system, thus pay only for water.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Plenty of room on that roof for solar panels, a cell network node and plenty of property for wells and rainwater collection. But could you really live off the land, despite having all that square footage to go back to?
    To be honest, the whole assessment that Jefferson himself lived off the land is absolutely ridiculous. He had 200 slaves who ensured he was well fed, had water, had a clean house. Comparing that to what this lady is doing is nonsense. Jefferson had a small Midwest village working for him. This lady is just collecting water. I see no problem with that. Rain water is free. It's a bit dangerous to collect rainwater (mostly for pollution reasons) but it's her beef.
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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Care to supply a link for that bold assertion? I have yet to see a sewer meter or bill. I have a septic system, thus pay only for water.
    You want me to show you a copy of my bill where water consumption and sewage are deliniated? Seriously? Will an online copy of someone else's suffice?

    Note: There is no "sewage meter" its called "Solid Waste Charges" and usually the total amount is $0.00 until the end of the year.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Maggie did you read the story? She's paid her taxes, she can utilize the sewage system. She is choosing not to use the city's water or electricity, she has her own.

    That being said, why can't one "One should not be able to simply shut off their water and avoid paying for the infrastructure." Why cannot one opt out of paying for something they aren't ever going to use? These are services you pay for by your levels of consumption of water or wattage.

    If I don't drive my car this week, should I be paying the gas taxes on the gas I didn't use?
    The argument might be made that she's not paying for the handling of her contribution of sewage. There is a way that they could guesstimate based on other homes of similar size and occupants, and bill her monthly for that and if she's reasonable, she would accept that.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Care to supply a link for that bold assertion? I have yet to see a sewer meter or bill. I have a septic system, thus pay only for water.
    Here is your proof, without my bill:

    Water and Wastewater Billing Changes | City of Hopewell, VirginiaCity of Hopewell, Virginia
    Beginning October 2012, Hopewell customers’ Virginia American Water bills will no longer include charges for wastewater/sewer services. The City of Hopewell will send you a separate bill for your sewer/wastewater services.

    You will continue to receive your regular Virginia American Water bill for water service. Here are some answers to questions you may have:
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The argument might be made that she's not paying for the handling of her contribution of sewage. There is a way that they could guesstimate based on other homes of similar size and occupants, and bill her monthly for that and if she's reasonable, she would accept that.
    Based on zero evidence, the claim could also be made that she is stealing cable. There is no reason to believe she does not receive a separate bill or does not pay her sewage portion, or doesn't own a composting toilet/outhouse; or is in any way violating any laws.

    I cannot argue against all these baseless claims.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Woman living "off the grid" faces eviction

    How dare her not willingly give money to the city and local electric monopoly every month.

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