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Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

Smartmouthwoman said:
Outrage of the month club.

Sorry, all this hand wringing is just losing its effectiveness. If homosexuality was legalized in Russia today, gays would be picketing Putin for gay marriage tomorrow.

There has to be a point when we respect our differences. Its really not a small world... and we're really not the boss of everybody.
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A few things:

1. There is far more that is reprehensible about Putin than his use of gays as a political scape goat. Ignore them or not, it makes you an admirer of a Fascist.

2. Eventually homosexuality, and gay marriage will be legalized the world over. Whether or not you reconcile yourself to the winds of this cultural battle is irrelevant.

3. No one said Obama was the boss of Russia. We sent a specially selected envoy to voice our displeasure. You responded with admiration of Putin a man who has murdered journalists, imprisoned democracy activists, and crushed protesters.
 
These are always deceiving complicated questions in my experience.

But off the cuff, when I read the names in the OP for the delegates, I know them all by name and reputation, and I find it strange to think that I know them by name when I don't even pay attention to sports in general, yet they are appointed *because* they are gay. Aren't they well known as both individual achievers in those sports as well as having maintained very prominent roles in promoting those sports? As long as it's not the only reason, and it's not some hard rule in general, I don't see the issue. Civil rights to me is more about flat out rejection because of sex/race/religion than it is about those being factored in as part of a whole analysis. And that's likely a bad interpretation, but there it is.
 
apdst said:
Discrimination is ok, sometimes?
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Ockham said:
Right, and discriminating against heterosexuals is now acceptable because of all the homosexual discrimination in the past. Two wrongs obviously make a right.
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Is that what I said? No, it's not. The point I was making is this is no more discrimination than it's discrimination for the other 7 delegates to not be openly gay.
 
Sherman123 said:
A few things:

1. There is far more that is reprehensible about Putin than his use of gays as a political scape goat. Ignore them or not, it makes you an admirer of a Fascist.

2. Eventually homosexuality, and gay marriage will be legalized the world over. Whether or not you reconcile yourself to the winds of this cultural battle is irrelevant.

3. No one said Obama was the boss of Russia. We sent a specially selected envoy to voice our displeasure. You responded with admiration of Putin a man who has murdered journalists, imprisoned democracy activists, and crushed protesters.
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1. Maybe you should pressure your president to skip the games altogether if Russian policies are so bad.

2. The incidence of AIDS is growing worldwide, so you could be right. Gayness certainly seems to be spreading... so to speak.

3. Because of Obama, millions of American families are suffering right now. Using your logic, if you support Obama, you support Americans suffering at his hand.

Same, same.
 
digsbe said:
I think you might be reading things into my argument with the "since you have issues with homosexuality." Things like race, religion, sexual orientation and others shouldn't be considered when it comes to such kind of appointments and delegations. If they were picked despite being gay that's fine, but if they was picked because they were gay or had that as a positive factor in the selection then that is wrong.
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No, it's not. It's perfectly okay for the President to send a delegation of LGBT Americans to represent the nation as a point of disapproval of Russia's anti-LGBT laws. Sending the message that LGBT people should not have to hide who they are and that there is nothing wrong with them. This is a great diplomatic move.
 
Zyphlin said:
So by that measure, had we put Black or Jewish athletes or former Olympians on the delegation to the Munich games as a message against the Nazi Regimes policies....that'd be bad to you?

Or if we had an Olympics in Saudi Arabia, if we chose some Female athletes and former olympians for the delegation to represent our disagreements with the Saudi Governments treatement of women...that'd be bad to you?

Mind you, not the athletes competing, but the diplomatic delegations sent to the games.
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Don't forget some nations tolerate men who believe they're woman to compete with woman...

I don't care if they feel like "woman" they're still built as men - their center of gravity is a lot different - and that matters in most events.
 
Smartmouthwoman said:
1. Maybe you should pressure your president to skip the games altogether if Russian policies are so bad.
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We shouldn't punish all of the athletes over a political issue imho. Not attending the games would do that. If you mean the President himself skipping, he is.

2. The incidence of AIDS is growing worldwide, so you could be right. Gayness certainly seems to be spreading... so to speak.
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AIDS is not directly connected to Homosexuality, so this is a non-sensical statement.

3. Because of Obama, millions of American families are suffering right now. Using your logic, if you support Obama, you support Americans suffering at his hand.
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That doesn't follow the same logic at all. He's not stating things that are going bad in Russia while Putin is President...he's pointing out SPECIFIC actions his government has undertaken.

IF you wanted to go the route of trying to compare Obama to Putin in that logic, and using your obvious world view as to how things appear, it'd be more appropriate to say that using his logic, if you support Obama, you support limiting peoples choices regarding Health Care, forcing inclusion into the military, and excusing people who violate our laws in being in this country.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Don't forget some nations tolerate men who believe they're woman to compete with woman...

I don't care if they feel like "woman" they're still built as men - their center of gravity is a lot different - and that matters in most events.
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Stop talking.
 
Your Star said:
This is a great diplomatic move.
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Eh, I wouldn't call it a "great" diplomatic move.

It was blatantly clear before this that the Obama Administration disagreed with the Russian Policy and was much more accomodating to Homosexuality than Russia. So its not like it sent some kind of "message" that wasn't already blatantly clear. It definitely doesn't HELP relations between the US and Russia which have been questionable to say the least lately. DIPLOMATICALLY, it's a throw away move that has mild arguments either way in terms of it being good or even poor.

You could say it's a great DOMESTICALLY political move, in terms of throwing a bone to the LGBT community here in the United States to attempt to keep them motivated and happy as we move into an election year coinciding with said olympics.
 
crue cab said:
really? I don't see the world condemning him on snowden.



why should the world condemn Putin over Snowden?
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Snowden is the USA's problem, not the world's problem
 
Sherman123 said:
Oh my god. This fascist authoritarian chic on the right has to stop. If you admire Putin you are not a conservative, you are an authoritarian ideologue.
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I don't know any Americans who admire Putin, just Americans who wished Obama had a pair and wasn't the second most powerful man in the world but the most powerful man in the world.

Barack Obama is incompetent. His foreign policies have been a complete failure. He plays checkers while the rest of the worlds leaders play chess.

If you naysayers still want to defend a narcissist failure and want America to become second rate like the Obama administration, why not do the majority of Americans a favor and vacate the premises. You people had your chance and blew it big time. How long and how much will it cost to repair the damages this community activest has caused ?

A community activist ? :lamo
 
instagramsci said:
Stop talking.
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Why? do I upset you?

I know basic reality er known facts upsets progressives - that's why we had Hitler and Stalin..

Oh knows, you don't get your way and there is a different opinion ( er fact) and you're so tolerant that you tolerate this.

Yay for you hahahahhahaha
 
I don't care if gay people want to play, however I am opposed to transsexuals playing.... That is just not right whatsoever.

Physically there is a massive difference between a male and a female.... Males can pretend they're females all day but that still doesn't change the fact.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Why? do I upset you?

I know basic reality er known facts upsets progressives - that's why we had Hitler and Stalin..

Oh knows, you don't get your way and there is a different opinion ( er fact) and you're so tolerant that you tolerate this.

Yay for you hahahahhahaha
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Are you high?
 
Your Star said:
No, it's not. It's perfectly okay for the President to send a delegation of LGBT Americans to represent the nation as a point of disapproval of Russia's anti-LGBT laws. Sending the message that LGBT people should not have to hide who they are and that there is nothing wrong with them. This is a great diplomatic move.
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I completely disagree. It is ABSOLUTELY OK for the president to send delegates that are gay...and really...he can send whoever he wants. However, the Olympics are supposed to be free of politics. It is supposed to be a celebration of athlete and sport. Its one of the reasons we HAVE and participate the Olympics My personal opinion is that creating a political environment degrades from the games.
 
VanceMack said:
I completely disagree. It is ABSOLUTELY OK for the president to send delegates that are gay...and really...he can send whoever he wants. However, the Olympics are supposed to be free of politics. It is supposed to be a celebration of athlete and sport. Its one of the reasons we HAVE and participate the Olympics My personal opinion is that creating a political environment degrades from the games.
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The Games have ALWAYS been political.
 
instagramsci said:
Are you high?
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Are you?

You seem extremely bewildered because your belief structure was shattered like glass.

Do me a favor, and yourself a favor - never talk to me again!
 
Your Star said:
The Games have ALWAYS been political.
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They really have not...and when certain people have made them political it has detracted from the Games. Every time.
 
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