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Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

Then you love an authoritarian strongman. Never speak of liberty or democracy in the same breath as your own views. They do not align. You are a traitor to those journalists, activists, and citizens who have been murdered, beaten, and imprisoned in their struggle for a freer Russia. It is shameful.

What about countries where gays are buried up to their necks and stoned to death? How about India where homosexuals were recently outlawed... again?

The outrage against Russia just because they're holding the winter olympics just seems a little too opportunistic to be sincere.

Why not shine light on other offending countries?

Putin got your tongue? ;)
 
What about countries where gays are buried up to their necks and stoned to death? How about India where homosexuals were recently outlawed... again?

The outrage against Russia just because they're holding the winter olympics just seems a little too opportunistic to be sincere.

Why not shine light on other offending countries?

Putin got your tongue? ;)

and now stepping up to accept her award for the most ridiculous logical fallacy -- Tu Quoque division, Is........
 
Just as long as they were picked solely based on merit and not based on their homosexuality I'm fine with it.

What "merit" determines who to send as an ambassador to an event? Was there some kind of essay contest?

Do people actually think every Olympic deligation hasn't had individuals selected to it for a myriad of reasons....from the political messaging it may send, to whether the president likes the people, to whether they're relevant to the particular locatio nfor some reason, etc.

I wouldn't have an issue with you saying based on merit if you didn't say "Solely". Yeah, don't send Jan Smith, random Lesbian from Albuquerque....but I don't have an issue with him going "Alright, we want an Olympian and homosexual".
 
What about countries where gays are buried up to their necks and stoned to death? How about India where homosexuals were recently outlawed... again?

The outrage against Russia just because they're holding the winter olympics just seems a little too opportunistic to be sincere.

Why not shine light on other offending countries?

Putin got your tongue? ;)

I'm astonished at the fallacy being committed. I don't admire India for criminalizing homosexuality anymore than I admire Assad for being an autocrat. You said you admire Putin--if so then you admire an autocrat with the blood of journalists, democratic activists, and his fellow citizens on his hands. That is atrocious and unworthy of a lover of liberty.
 
What about countries where gays are buried up to their necks and stoned to death? How about India where homosexuals were recently outlawed... again?

The outrage against Russia just because they're holding the winter olympics just seems a little too opportunistic to be sincere.

Why not shine light on other offending countries?

Putin got your tongue? ;)

All of that is wrong as well. Nothing wrong with a lot of outrage being poured out against Russia right now because they are hosting such an important international event.
 
What "merit" determines who to send as an ambassador to an event? Was there some kind of essay contest?

Do people actually think every Olympic deligation hasn't had individuals selected to it for a myriad of reasons....from the political messaging it may send, to whether the president likes the people, to whether they're relevant to the particular locatio nfor some reason, etc.

I wouldn't have an issue with you saying based on merit if you didn't say "Solely". Yeah, don't send Jan Smith, random Lesbian from Albuquerque....but I don't have an issue with him going "Alright, we want an Olympian and homosexual".

What I mean by that is their sexuality should have 0 impact on the decision to pick them, it should be based on what they've done, not what turns them on and essentially discriminating against other candidates because they aren't homosexuals.
 
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Hell yea!
Give Putin the diplomatic middle finger!
Love this move Obama! Great move! [/FONT][/COLOR]




Did Obama jab Putin or did Obama just show that he is an inclusive President who respects people for their abilities no matter what their sexual orientation is?




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Did Obama jab Putin or did Obama just show that he is an inclusive President who respects people for their abilities no matter what their sexual orientation is?




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." Robert Green Ingersoll
Neither, it shows he wants to get into an ass kicking contest with a man that would slap the taste out of his mouth.
 
Well, this should clear up a lot of my evenings this winter, now that I don't have to watch the Olympics.
Scary that I have more respect for the leader of Russia than I do the POTUS. Never thought I'd ever say that.




Different strokes for different folks.
 
Janet Napolitano? WTF, are they kidding? She'll be the blimp floating over the games.
 

Send it to the President, I figured there were at least a few that could be selected for the recognition. Billy Jean, who is certainly a distinguished athlete, just doesn't fit with the Winter Olympics. At least the Summer Olympics has the sport she participated in even if she never did at an Olympics.
 
Send it to the President, I figured there were at least a few that could be selected for the recognition. Billy Jean, who is certainly a distinguished athlete, just doesn't fit with the Winter Olympics. At least the Summer Olympics has the sport she participated in even if she never did at an Olympics.

She is on the delegation.
 
What I mean by that is their sexuality should have 0 impact on the decision to pick them, it should be based on what they've done, not what turns them on and essentially discriminating against other candidates because they aren't homosexuals.

But there are hundreds of past Olympians. Ultimately, OTHER criteria is ALWAYS going to go into who you choose for a delegation. Why you choose one or another. There's never going to be an instance of htem picking someone SINGULARLY based on what they accomplished in the olympics. Are you seriously suggesting that any selection of this type of thing is EVER done singularly based on "What they've done" and for no external reasonings? And if not, do you have issues with that...or do you only have issues with this since you have issues with homosexuality?
 
But there are hundreds of past Olympians. Ultimately, OTHER criteria is ALWAYS going to go into who you choose for a delegation. Why you choose one or another. There's never going to be an instance of htem picking someone SINGULARLY based on what they accomplished in the olympics. Are you seriously suggesting that any selection of this type of thing is EVER done singularly based on "What they've done" and for no external reasonings? And if not, do you have issues with that...or do you only have issues with this since you have issues with homosexuality?

I think you might be reading things into my argument with the "since you have issues with homosexuality." Things like race, religion, sexual orientation and others shouldn't be considered when it comes to such kind of appointments and delegations. If they were picked despite being gay that's fine, but if they was picked because they were gay or had that as a positive factor in the selection then that is wrong.
 
Still be clapping when your gay heros are detained as subversives in a Russian prison. It could happen very easily.

If that happens, the world will condemn Russia (except for some backward theocracies that no one cares about).

Putin knows he can't do anything, he is checkmated.
 
If that happens, the world will condemn Russia (except for some backward theocracies that no one cares about).

Putin knows he can't do anything, he is checkmated.
Really? I don't see the world condemning him on Snowden.
 
I'm astonished at the fallacy being committed. I don't admire India for criminalizing homosexuality anymore than I admire Assad for being an autocrat. You said you admire Putin--if so then you admire an autocrat with the blood of journalists, democratic activists, and his fellow citizens on his hands. That is atrocious and unworthy of a lover of liberty.

Outrage of the month club.

Sorry, all this hand wringing is just losing its effectiveness. If homosexuality was legalized in Russia today, gays would be picketing Putin for gay marriage tomorrow.

There has to be a point when we respect our differences. Its really not a small world... and we're really not the boss of everybody.
 
Ummm...good for Obama...I guess.

I could care less about the Olympics.

It started out as a venue for the nation's best amateur athletes to show their stuff on an international stage.

Now it's just an international urinating contest to see who can spend the most taxpayer dollars on some bloated, gigantic Olympic infrastructure so a bunch of drugged up athletes can compete in a bunch of sports for a couple weeks every four years.

And when it's over, those taxpayers are usually left with a gigantic, whopping bill.

Complete waste of time.

Either run it like the '84 Olympics (at a profit) or leave my tax dollars out of it completely.
 
I think you might be reading things into my argument with the "since you have issues with homosexuality." Things like race, religion, sexual orientation and others shouldn't be considered when it comes to such kind of appointments and delegations. If they were picked despite being gay that's fine, but if they was picked because they were gay or had that as a positive factor in the selection then that is wrong.

So by that measure, had we put Black or Jewish athletes or former Olympians on the delegation to the Munich games as a message against the Nazi Regimes policies....that'd be bad to you?

Or if we had an Olympics in Saudi Arabia, if we chose some Female athletes and former olympians for the delegation to represent our disagreements with the Saudi Governments treatement of women...that'd be bad to you?

Mind you, not the athletes competing, but the diplomatic delegations sent to the games.
 
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